If you ask me, Tadpole, it certainly appears that these 9/11 conspiracy guessers have started out with the conclusion that there is a conspiracy and then they go on to try and find "evidence" to support their hypothesis...without, of course, allowing for other reasons as to why this so-called "evidence" exists.

And I'm willing to bet that all of their "evidence" could be explained in other ways other than there being a supposed conspiracy.

For example, those so-called "explosions" that they heard could have been bolts snapping and sections of truss-supported concrete flooring collapsing within the building just prior to the total building collapse.

Also, fire-fighters reported that a few elevators actually free-fell down their shafts which could explain the "explosions" that they heard and felt and seen "evidence of" in the lower levels of the Twin Towers.

And the "white smoke" they saw could just as well have been other, non-explosive-related material burning in the lower levels of the Twin Towers that also gives off white smoke when it burns. (Fire-fighters reported fires in the lower structures as a result of burning jet fuel literally pouring down the elevator shafts.)

And no, the interior "core" structural steel framework was definitely not as industructible as they want you to believe. And the interior core structural steelwork could also be effected by fire in the same exact way that all structure steel is effected by fire. And the lower levels of the interior core steelwork could also collapse with the rest of the building once dynamic loading due to the upper floor's momentum is great enough to overstress the interior structure.

And no, the exterior "tube" walls of the Twin Towers were definitely not like a window screen, as they want you to believe, since they carried roughly half the weight of each open area of all the floors. (The interior "core" structural steelwork carried the other half of the weight along with the utility shafts, elevator shafts, stairwells, etc.)

(As a side note, my Step-Dad actually inspected the elevators in the Twin Towers when they were being built and was a licensed professional mechanical engineer and a member of the group that wrote the national codes for elevators and other similar equipment during the late '70's and early '80's. He started out as an elevator inspector in NYC and worked his way up from there and his professional elevator-related career had its "ups and downs"...so to speak. )

The therory is fake. The Government could not have staged these attacks, and why would they do it? I really doubt the American Government is smart enough to pull somethig this big off.

Yeah, I watch the 90 minute "Why Demolition is Probable" film and, to me, they are biased because they appear to be trying to find evidence to support their "conspiracy" conclusion without proposing, in general, alternative reasons to explain away their so-called evidence.

In essence, this isn't as an objective approach to this event as they are leading some people to believe.

I don't believe this therory, i makes no sense and there are huge holes in the therory. I highly doubt the government would take this course of action, besides, why would they?

Way to be objective...

1) I think EVERYONE agrees there was a conspiracy. The offiicial explanation is that there was a conspiracy. The only question is whether or not the conspiracy stops with 19 hijackers...

2) I am not saying any given conclusion is right. In fact, most of the conspiracies theories have no ultimate conclusion, except one... That the official report is wrong, and simply not possible. This I do hold to be true. That being the case, we must ask why are we not being told the truth? I don't think we should have blind faith in our government, that's the start of Tyranny & Facism.

3) Fires being started on lower floors by burning Jet Fuel falling down the elevator shafts? Well that sounds good... But has a lot of flaws... a) the Elevator shafts were not air tight, how would the fire have spread? b) there was not much jet fuel involved, each plane had about 10,000 gallons of fuel according to the official report. That sounds like a lot to the untrained person, but the 9/11 report itself (I bought a copy) testifies that most of that fuel would have been consumed in the initial blast. Kerosene fires simply are not that dangerous as to spread through a building by a small amount in an elevator shaft, that likey would have been vaporized as it fell... Too many holes...

Why was the investigation done so quickly and poorly with no budget?

Why was all the steel wreckage so quickly disposed of, much of which went overseas?

We have to question authority. Don't trust your government.

The U.S. Government with nearly infinite resources could not pull this off but 19 whackos could? That makes no sense...

Planes have hijacked before, I don't understand what's so hard to believe about it.

Well, none of my fellow engineering colleagues at my former jobs, nor any of my more personal contacts who are professional civil (structural) and mechanical engineers, nor any of my personal friends and family think there is a conspiracy here. Evidently, not "EVERYONE" thinks that there is a conspiracy here.

And no, the "official" (N.I.S.T. and FEMA) explanations don't even remotely suggest that there is a conspiracy here.

So then, how exactly is the report's explanation wrong and impossible?


Well, here is what the N.I.S.T. final report actually stated regarding World Trade Center 1:

"...well over half the jet fuel remained in the building, unburned in the initial fires." (page 24)

And, here is what the final N.I.S.T. report stated regarding World Trade Center 2:

"...well over half of the jet fuel remained after the initial fireballs." (page 42)

http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf

So, if half of the jet fuel remained in the building, this would be roughly the volumetric equivalent of a 14.5 foot diameter by 4 foot deep round swimming pool filled with jet fuel...of which a good majority likely spilled from each of the airplane's fuel tanks since the fuel tanks of each airplane was very likely ruptured when the planes hit the towers.

So, I'd say its possible that some amount of that fuel could have found its way down-and intact as liquid-to the bottom of an elevator shaft...and possibly down a utility shaft as well. And, there could have been other ignition sources where this fuel settled that would have ignited that liquid fuel.


Actually, numerous samples (236 pieces) of the structural steel from both towers went to the N.I.S.T. labs for testing.

And it was probably unnecessary to "save" all the steel for them to perform this testing.

I think you fail to realize that, besides governmental groups, other non-government-related engineering, architectural, fire, safety, and insurance bodies have looked into the possible causes behind the collapse of the Twin Towers.

And, if any of them actually see any evidence towards a conspiracy here, then why haven't they spoken out?


(As a side note, take a look at the photo on page 33 in the report linked above. Take notice of the significant buckling that was occuring in the southeast corner of World Trade Center 1. This photo was taken by the NYC police department at 10:23 AM. And the building began its downward motion at 10:28:22 AM. So, at least 5 minutes had transpired after this buckling was noticed before this building came down. If the World Trade Center 1 building was really brought down entirely by some other means at or much closer time to 10:28:22 AM, then how do you explain this buckling...especially at that earlier time?

Mind you, once a column starts to buckle, this means that this structural member has effectively exceeded its "maximum yield stress" and, in fact, the material that comprises it has become "plastic"...meaning that it will remain permanently deformed even if the load on it were to be removed. And, in addition, this permanent deformation means that that column can no longer support the downward load that is applied to it since it will continue to deform under that load if there is no bracing in the horizontal direction in order to prevented it from buckling further. In other words, World Trade Center 1 essentially began to collapse at least by 10:23 AM...which is several minutes before any supposed explosives were used to "demolish" the building.)

Its America, there is nothing you can do about it. Do you honestly think that America would do something like this? This conspiracy theory is highly illogical and not to mention disrespectful. What about the subway bombings? Did the government stage those attacks? What about this war in iraq? Did we stage that? What else could the government pull off?