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Drugs and Alcohol Debate and defend your political beliefs of whether or not some drugs should be illegal or legalized.

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Old 06-11-2007, 05:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Depends on where you grow them, I suppose. In my neighborhood the only ones likely to want a share are the little old ladies with glaucoma.
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Depends on where you grow them, I suppose. In my neighborhood the only ones likely to want a share are the little old ladies with glaucoma.
LOL!

No teens in your neighborhood huh?
Old 06-13-2007, 01:27 PM   #23 (permalink)
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No teens in your neighborhood huh?
Not close by. And we are a semi-rural area with an lot of pot growers already. If it is ever legalized, I think that teens will have no problem getting their hands on all they want without raiding my yard.
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Not close by. And we are a semi-rural area with an lot of pot growers already. If it is ever legalized, I think that teens will have no problem getting their hands on all they want without raiding my yard.
I just realized that doesn't sound too good. The truth is that they don't really have much trouble getting their hands on it now.
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Isn't pot only illegal because the government can't tax it and it'd create too much competition with the cig companies?
If people want to do drugs, they'll find a way to do them. It's not the governments job to be our daddy.
Makes me think of the possible trans-fat ban in NY. People should be allowed to put what they want in their bodies.
I would have to say the Government could tax weed. All they have to do is grow the best shit around and then sell it themselves at liquor stores only. Then the age factor is instantly covered. Not a very difficult task with the money spent, by our government, these days.
I would say pot is still illegal because of all the lobbiests paying off our elected officials. If pot were legal then hemp be legal. Now we're talking about cutting into the profits of big oil (hemp oil being one of the cleanest bio-fuels), the clothing industry, American Farmers who produce corn and soy beans for thier oils, and about 10 other big businesses that don't want to lose money to hemp.
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I would have to say the Government could tax weed.
They could absolutely tax weed. Experts agree:

Forbes.com - Magazine Article

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A founding father of the Reagan Revolution has put his John Hancock on a pro-pot report.

Milton Friedman leads a list of more than 500 economists from around the U.S. who today will publicly endorse a Harvard University economist's report on the costs of marijuana prohibition and the potential revenue gains from the U.S. government instead legalizing it and taxing its sale. Ending prohibition enforcement would save $7.7 billion in combined state and federal spending, the report says, while taxation would yield up to $6.2 billion a year.
Almost 14 billion dollars gained a year from legalization. It would work wonderfully.
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Doctor Milton Friedman won a Nobel Prize in economics. He's no slouch.
And he was among the more famous anti-Drug War advocates.

But just to be clear, the "500 economists from around the U.S. who today will publicly endorse" language suggests that's an old quote.
I believe Dr. Friedman died about a year ago.
None the less, his reasoning is timeless.
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Doctor Milton Friedman won a Nobel Prize in economics. He's no slouch.
And he was among the more famous anti-Drug War advocates.

But just to be clear, the "500 economists from around the U.S. who today will publicly endorse" language suggests that's an old quote.
I believe Dr. Friedman died about a year ago.
None the less, his reasoning is timeless.

Nope, it is pretty recent information.

Here is the link to the publication that the above newslink is referring to from 2005:
Costs of Marijuana Prohibition: Economic Analysis

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The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition
June 2005
Jeffrey A. Miron
Visiting Professor of Economics
Harvard University
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781-856-0086
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The Marijuana Policy Project provided funding for the research discussed in this report. Daniel Egan provided excellent research assistance.
Executive Summary
  • Government prohibition of marijuana is the subject of ongoing debate.
  • One issue in this debate is the effect of marijuana prohibition on government budgets. Prohibition entails direct enforcement costs and prevents taxation of marijuana production and sale.
  • Thisreport examines the budgetary implications of legalizing marijuana – taxing and regulating it like other goods – in all fifty states and at the federal level.
  • The report estimates that legalizing marijuana would save $7.7 billion per year in government expenditure on enforcement of prohibition. $5.3 billion of this savings would accrue to state and local governments, while $2.4 billion would accrue to the federal government.
  • The report also estimates that marijuana legalization would yield tax revenue of $2.4 billion annually if marijuana were taxed like all other goods and $6.2 billion annually if marijuana were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and tobacco.
  • Whether marijuana legalization is a desirable policy depends on many factors other than the budgetary impacts discussed here. But these impacts should be included in a rational debate about marijuana policy.
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Fair enough.
But I wouldn't call 2005 "today".
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Fair enough.
But I wouldn't call 2005 "today".
Nothing about the information presented in the 2005 article is outdated. It rings even MORE true 2 years later.
We have only missed out on gaining about 28 billion dollars of revenue during this time period (if marijuana had been legal).
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