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Drugs and Alcohol Debate and defend your political beliefs of whether or not some drugs should be illegal or legalized.

View Poll Results: Marijuana
Legalize it - Age 16+ 3 7.32%
Legalize it - Age 18+ 11 26.83%
Legalize it - Age 21+ 12 29.27%
Medical use only 7 17.07%
Ban it completely 7 17.07%
Undecided 1 2.44%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-16-2007, 10:36 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Pot does far less damage to a person's body than alcohol and those around the user.
I recently was put on Marinol and will have a medical marijuana card from the health dept. within about 2 month. My doctor has already sent the paper work in and now I am waiting. I have two pinched nerves, on in my neck and one in my lower back. I have severe muscle spasms that wake me every night. I can't even walk for hours after these spasms. I am out of work, from what I am told, for the rest of my life. I tried all the perscriptions you could imagine, Muscle relaxers, pain killers, and I even had cortizone injections shot directly into my spine(still have one more of those beauties to go). The Marinol works to make the spasms less severe, but I still have them nightly. Usually I m running on 4 to 5 hours of sleep each day. If I smoke pot before bed(which I can't afford to do often) I have no spasms that night! I will soon be able to grow twelve plants at a time(the limit set by my state's laws). This will make my life much less painful and who knows, maybe I'll be able to get back to work some day.
I agree with you on the legalization and taxing thing. I also think we should limit sales to people over 21 and impose the same laws related to DWI. Driving while totally baked is stupid and dangerous.
You have no idea how many people actual smoke pot. Some are lawyers, doctors, professors and even some are police. I am 46 years old and personally know of 7 different professionals that are undecover pot smokers. Your claim that only stupid people smoke pot is not based on your personal experiences and are wrong. One of the smartest persons I have ever known smokes pot and he has a Phd.
I hope that works out for you Ty!.
That describes most of the pot smokers I know.

You ever catch the show Weeds on Showtime? Good show about a soccer mom that deals pot.
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Old 01-16-2007, 04:10 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Pot does far less damage to a person's body than alcohol and those around the user.
I agree with you there 100%. I have known pot smokers in the past. I never smoked with them, but I have a certain kind of contempt for these freeloaders. . . the hell some of them put me through, as well as my family, (to say the least) is extremely infuriating. . .

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I recently was put on Marinol and will have a medical marijuana card from the health dept. within about 2 month. My doctor has already sent the paper work in and now I am waiting. I have two pinched nerves, on in my neck and one in my lower back. I have severe muscle spasms that wake me every night. I can't even walk for hours after these spasms. I am out of work, from what I am told, for the rest of my life. I tried all the perscriptions you could imagine, Muscle relaxers, pain killers, and I even had cortizone injections shot directly into my spine(still have one more of those beauties to go). The Marinol works to make the spasms less severe, but I still have them nightly. Usually I m running on 4 to 5 hours of sleep each day. If I smoke pot before bed(which I can't afford to do often) I have no spasms that night! I will soon be able to grow twelve plants at a time(the limit set by my state's laws). This will make my life much less painful and who knows, maybe I'll be able to get back to work some day.
I wish you luck there. . . you sound like an intelligent person who has suffered a lot. . . I can sort of relate to some of the things you are talking about, since I have schizophrenia and am also on medication. I, too, have trouble sleeping. . . Yes, I guess there are exceptions to the "only stupid people smoke pot" line. When there is a medical reason, and it is prescribed by a doctor, that is different. I've actually had doctors (because of my schizophrenia) offer to prescribe me stuff like pot and speed before (among other things), but I've refused. I just don't believe in that. However, I don't "look down upon" people who take certain "illegal" drugs for medical purposes. I can't even begin to imagine some of the things these people go through. . . I will keep you in my prayers.

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You have no idea how many people actual smoke pot. Some are lawyers, doctors, professors and even some are police. I am 46 years old and personally know of 7 different professionals that are undecover pot smokers. Your claim that only stupid people smoke pot is not based on your personal experiences and are wrong. One of the smartest persons I have ever known smokes pot and he has a Phd.
I agree with you that I have no idea how many people actually smoke pot. . . however, my friend, the world is FULL of educated derelicts. Just because someone happens to have a Phd. and also smokes pot doesn't really tell me anything. . . Do some of these people you mentioned also smoke pot for medical reasons, or are they just looking for "the kicks?"

I'm glad you responded to my post. . . I know there are some things we DON'T agree on, and I respect that. . . Please feel free to keep in touch and let me know how you are doing. Best of luck to you!

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Old 01-25-2007, 09:11 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Pot should be legal for many reasons.
# taxes
#Jobs(which can be taxed
#Farmers, now they can start making a living again.
#we wouldn't have to cut down another tree,hemp would take care of that.
#Small businesses,growers, sellers,labs,coffee shops,medical.and many more.
#research,doctors could come up with a way to make pot and hemp better.
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Pot should be legal for many reasons.
# taxes
#Jobs(which can be taxed
#Farmers, now they can start making a living again.
#we wouldn't have to cut down another tree,hemp would take care of that.
#Small businesses,growers, sellers,labs,coffee shops,medical.and many more.
#research,doctors could come up with a way to make pot and hemp better.
Can you verify any of these points?

For instance, what jobs will be created?


Also, I think it's fair AND important to note that there's a VAST difference between HEMP that has many commercial uses, and POT that is smoked. Yeah, they're basically the same plant, but they have totally different uses.
Old 01-25-2007, 09:47 AM   #95 (permalink)
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Can you verify any of these points?

For instance, what jobs will be created?


Also, I think it's fair AND important to note that there's a VAST difference between HEMP that has many commercial uses, and POT that is smoked. Yeah, they're basically the same plant, but they have totally different uses.
Sure i can, as good as anyone here..but all you have to do is look up some of these pot sites and see for yourself..

Now as far as jobs go's farmers will need help,the store's that sell the pot will need help,pot's not going to walk from the fields to the store ,labs or coffee shops.so we will need more drivers.

labs will have to hire more workers,(not for drug testing) to improve the product.

then you have the paper company's and pipe company's, how about wall street ,stocks with go up.they might have to hire more people...should i go on?.

There are alot of reason to legalize pot that help America out, and not one good reason to get it illegal..and this not just my 2 cents, it a fact.

if you would to know more try hightime.com or www.normal.com/or org.
they are both good sites but are not the only sites...
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I don't smoke marijuana. . . I'm not stupid enough. However, if stupid people want to do stupid things, then they should be allowed to do that. That includes, of course, marijuana (and all other "illegal" drugs).

Let me put it to you this way - drug users are going to use drugs whether or not they are legal. So why not legalize them? And then tax the ever living stew out of the people who use them!

Think about it. A lot of our "budget deficit" concerns would be washed away in a heartbeat.

I think the main problem with people who are against legalizing drugs is that they don't want people to "hurt" themselves. I hate to put it this way, but (frankly) who cares? Our founding fathers, when they wrote the Constitution, believed in limited government involvement in the ordinary state of affairs of ordinary individuals. They did not believe, in other words, of telling other people what's good for them and what's not.

In early America, the primary function of government was simply to deliver the mail. No more, no less. So, why do we have all these "agencies" nowadays? Why, when we have a problem (like drugs), do we turn it over to government to solve it for us? Is it because we value "security" over freedom? Is it because we are "dumbing down?" Or, is it because we are ignorant of what the constitution really was written for and about?

The good news is that ignorance can be cured through education. . . stupidty can't.

So, let stupid people do stupid things like use drugs. Their problem can't be cured. They were born that way!

Thanks, and PLEASE - feel free to disagree with me! I love a good debate!

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I agree with you about government regulation. I never have understood how the government determines which "poisons" they should allow and which they shouldn't. Alcohol and tobacco are at least as dangerous as marijuana. The addiction factor has more to do with an individual than the drug of choice. If someone has an addictive personality, they risk addiction of some type, be it alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs, etc. Whereas I can have a one cocktail and not touch the stuff for another year, someone with an addictive personality cannot take even one drink without binging. If we could find the cure for the addictive personality, none of the legal or illegal drugs would be a problem because it's unlikely they would be abused. It's a fascinating subject though. Did you know this:

"It is important to remember that drugs were not always illegal in the United States. One hundred years ago, there were no drug laws. It was possible to buy cocaine at any corner pharmacy. One could purchase heroin through the Sears-Roebuck catalog. Heroin was invented in 1898 by the Bayer company – also famous for its aspirin – and was sold as a cough suppressant for people suffering from tuberculosis. "

Yep - if you wanted heroin, all you had to do was fork over $1.98 for a supply including the syringe. Apparently the biggest abusers of this were middle class women living in rural areas of American.
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I agree with you about government regulation. I never have understood how the government determines which "poisons" they should allow and which they shouldn't. Alcohol and tobacco are at least as dangerous as marijuana. The addiction factor has more to do with an individual than the drug of choice. If someone has an addictive personality, they risk addiction of some type, be it alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs, etc. Whereas I can have a one cocktail and not touch the stuff for another year, someone with an addictive personality cannot take even one drink without binging. If we could find the cure for the addictive personality, none of the legal or illegal drugs would be a problem because it's unlikely they would be abused. It's a fascinating subject though. Did you know this:

"It is important to remember that drugs were not always illegal in the United States. One hundred years ago, there were no drug laws. It was possible to buy cocaine at any corner pharmacy. One could purchase heroin through the Sears-Roebuck catalog. Heroin was invented in 1898 by the Bayer company – also famous for its aspirin – and was sold as a cough suppressant for people suffering from tuberculosis. "

Yep - if you wanted heroin, all you had to do was fork over $1.98 for a supply including the syringe. Apparently the biggest abusers of this were middle class women living in rural areas of American.
lol you been watching History channel "hooked on drugs"..which is a good show..
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lol you been watching History channel "hooked on drugs"..which is a good show..
Actually I missed the show but my husband watched and told me about it. I had to actually look up the article on the web. I was pretty shocked when he told me though. I knew drugs like heroin were used more freely in the 1800's but I guess I never knew you could just order them from a catalog. My father used to say you could buy anything you needed from the Sears catalog - guess he wasn't kidding!
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Is there some reason why the Hemp industry cannot be left alone, regardless of the legality or illegality of marijuana use?
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Is there some reason why the Hemp industry cannot be left alone, regardless of the legality or illegality of marijuana use?
Good question - I don't know. Seems like it should be able to be accomplished. I don't know a lot about hemp but I understand it can be used in quite a few different applications from rope to clothing. Have to read up a little more. I'm not sure what the controversy would be over it being used in that way.
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