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Old 02-09-2007, 11:26 AM   #121 (permalink)
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do you have links to those stories - I'm genuinely interested in it
No i don't. i seen it on fox news. well i seen it on other web sites as well. but I can't recall..One event happen in Washington, near Ft Lewis..last year,LA is real bad about it..you try there..
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:22 PM   #122 (permalink)
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I googled and found nothing......
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Old 02-09-2007, 03:14 PM   #123 (permalink)
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America First, I think you're 'seeing' things.
I've done google searches using various combinations of the information you've provided - with zero results.
I think you believe what you wrote - but I sincerely believe you've misunderstood what you think you're heard.
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I do remember folks saying that the military was not respected during the Viet Nam war, but I believe it was a hard war to fight. And that there was a lot of negative public opinion about the war at the time, but not a very common experience for other military men to have faced what A-1's family endured.

That seems quite the exception to the norm. I remember the hippies coming to town. I thought they were so cool in their painted vans and tie dye shirts ...and there wasn't any one of them that was for the war, but there wasn't any one of them that would have ever said anything bad to a soldier.

They would have been more like, "That's cool man..." And left it at that.

It is also true that the soldiers from Viet Nam did not come home to a heroes welcome like in WW2. That was not their fault, but again the nation was not supporting the the war efforts there.

As to our not finding anything on the google searches we have done, maybe per this topic in the thread, we ought to all first get stoned!!! Then who knows what all we might find???

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Old 02-09-2007, 03:46 PM   #125 (permalink)
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oh dear, there were definitely instances of soldiers being treated with great disrespect after their homecoming from VietNam. It is not one of the proudest moments of America.

But America First is saying that it is happening NOW with soldiers returning from Iraq - and I have never heard/read/seen one thing about it now.
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oh dear, there were definitely instances of soldiers being treated with great disrespect after their homecoming from VietNam. It is not one of the proudest moments of America.

But America First is saying that it is happening NOW with soldiers returning from Iraq - and I have never heard/read/seen one thing about it now.
Oh my bad, I did not get that was what A-1 was talking about, this present military. But again, the Viet Nam Vets, that did come back and that disrespect that the military experienced in general at those times, I do not believe was by and largely initiated by pacifist hippies, as was what occurred in A-1's Family.

He said that it was the liberal pacifist and hippy element that did these mean things to his father.

I am sure it was a much more purposeful political group that would have done such a thing...

And I do know that kinda thing can happen and it shows the hypocrisy in anyone comes out when folk organize around a cause. The cause gets bigger than each one's own integrity is what happens.

When I was in the UK, at an American Base, there was a group that set up camp outside the base. They were the CND for Nuclear Disarmament. And off and on, a police constable had to come and tote a few off for getting in a squabble with each other, for physical abuse to a child or to a wife. And they also did throw bricks at the school busses of children that were there because their Daddys or Mommys were serving in the Armed Forces.

That is deplorable and not unlike perhaps the mentality of those who hurt A-1's family. But they were no truly pacifist hippy. They were troublemakers looking for a cause to duck into cos they had no better purpose going on in their lives.

And it is just as unfair to lump liberals and pacifists with them as it is to lump all who are pro-life with the few that shoot abortion doctors.

Again, what happened to the military after Viet Nam was not a dishonor initiated by most pacifists. First and foremost, it was the government and the politicians that let those folks down the most. I saw Coming Home years ago...

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America First, I think you're 'seeing' things.
I've done google searches using various combinations of the information you've provided - with zero results.
I think you believe what you wrote - but I sincerely believe you've misunderstood what you think you're heard.
Thank you but I know what i seen on the News, and I know what I seen growning up, maybe your google isn't googling right, not sure.
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Old 02-10-2007, 07:48 AM   #128 (permalink)
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oh dear, there were definitely instances of soldiers being treated with great disrespect after their homecoming from VietNam. It is not one of the proudest moments of America.

But America First is saying that it is happening NOW with soldiers returning from Iraq - and I have never heard/read/seen one thing about it now.
No I didn't ,I said I seen a report about soldier getting jump on last year at Ft Lewis, i said nothing about Iraq, and I also said it happen in or near LA..
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Marijuana is a little different though I mean it really does show promising results as being used by the FDA for medical purposes. The only reason no one in government wants to legalize it is, because the big Pharmaceutical companies can't cash in on it. That part never changes. I am in total agreement with you about Alchohol the laws need to be tougher, I mean how many get into major DUI incidents all of the time. There are very few who know how to drink responsible anymore these days. Statistics or no statistics it still lowers your self-esteem and it really can turn into a serious addiction.
That is a good point.

Last night I was at a late party with my friends and I ended up driving home with my cousin at 4am. On the highway, I saw a car ahead swerving from the far left lane to the far right lane..then hitting the brakes randomly. I knew this guy was drunk out of his mind...I should have called the cops but I didn't. I really don't even know if that guy could of made it home driving like that..

Now if someone smoked a good amount of pot, I'm sure that at 4am they would not be swerving out of control. Actually, I saw a video online of someone who volunteered to smoke a lot of pot so they can observe his driving habits, before and after. I believe he was going slower, and trying to be more careful when he was high. Now if you do the same test but with alcohol, clearly the effects are going to be different, and worse in the case of alcohol. So why isn't pot legal??

Well it seems that HotShotGG was right on the money.
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Shame is relative to your beliefs. You are of course free to your own opinion.

I would be much more ashamed of being an alcoholic(which is a legal substance). I have no DUIs and that is because I realized alcohol is the real problem here in America, a long time ago.

When I was 17 6 of my friends and I went to the blessing of the fleet in Stonington CT. It was a big wood barrel keg party with lots of food, the night before the priest blessed the fishing boats. I smoked some pot and had one beer and ate and the rest of my friends got hammered. They didn't care who they served so buying the beer was easy.
It came time to leave and my best friend had a VW Bug. He was hammered and I talked him into letting me drive. We were going to one of the guys house to party some more. My other friend, Bob, had this big 1962 Oldsmobile with a monster v8 he called the gray ghost. He refused to squeeze into the bug and wouldn't give up the keys. I even tried the two trip idea. To no avail. He was suppose to follow me but blew passed me once we hit the back roads. We got to the guys house and Bob wasn't there. I got a bad vibe and talked my friend into going back up the road to look for him. We came upon a car stopped on the side of the road with his flashers on. We stop and asked what was up. He just point up into the trees. There was Bob's car, with the head light still on. He totally cleared a guard rail and in order to do so he must hav been going pretty fast. I was the only one sober enough to climb the tree so I went up. I had a flashlight and when I shined it in the car there was Bob with no head. A branch had gone through the windshield and decapitated him. It was The most tramatic thing I had ever seen. I fell out of the tree screaming. I broke my arm and puked my guts out. I stayed in my house for about two weeks. It took years to get over that.
Since that day I haven't drank and drove. I only drink on New Years and stay home.
To have alcohol legal and pot a crime is just plain asinine. Alcohol is the true gateway drug.
Oh my God Tyreay i'm so sorry..At that age, I couldn't even imagine what you must of been going through.
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