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Old 02-19-2007, 11:27 AM   #141 (permalink)
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Alright alright. We get that you don't think pot is bad. But does it not stand to reason that if we legalize pot, other drugs will follow suit? It's not like you can say they won't push for it. They're already using alcohol being legal as grounds for this. And you can't deny the danger in using other drugs like methamphetamine, cocaine, and heroin.
A danger to whom? To the person who chooses to use those drugs.
If a person is going to use, they are going to use, whether it's legal or illegal.

Now, if they were legal, the danger would go way down, you would have less drug-related crimes, less likelihood of overdose, and the drugs wouldn't be cut with nasty stuff.

And the money that is being spent by the failed 'war on drugs' could be spent in better areas, like education, health care, rehabilitation.
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:36 AM   #142 (permalink)
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A danger to whom? To the person who chooses to use those drugs.
If a person is going to use, they are going to use, whether it's legal or illegal.

Now, if they were legal, the danger would go way down, you would have less drug-related crimes, less likelihood of overdose, and the drugs wouldn't be cut with nasty stuff.

And the money that is being spent by the failed 'war on drugs' could be spent in better areas, like education, health care, rehabilitation.
Don't tell me that nobody has ever been hurt by someone who was high. Someone at my school was shot by someone on crack. I understand what you said about using if they're going to use, but the same thing applies to gun control and we still try to intervene in it. Also, if it were legal, it would be much easier for youth to get hold of it. I see no reason to have more minors thinking it's cool to smoke pot.
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Old 02-19-2007, 12:53 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Don't tell me that nobody has ever been hurt by someone who was high. Someone at my school was shot by someone on crack.
Yes, and thousands of women and children are abused by drunk husband/parents. There are also thousands of crack-heads that DON'T hurt anyone.

One old man mows down and kills 11 people, does that mean we make it illegal for all old people to drive?

Do some people who are high hurt people? Yes. But there are schizophrenics that hurt people, too. Do we put them all away?
Old 02-19-2007, 04:27 PM   #144 (permalink)
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Yes, and thousands of women and children are abused by drunk husband/parents. There are also thousands of crack-heads that DON'T hurt anyone.

One old man mows down and kills 11 people, does that mean we make it illegal for all old people to drive?

Do some people who are high hurt people? Yes. But there are schizophrenics that hurt people, too. Do we put them all away?
Did schizophrenics choose to be schizophrenics? Didn't think so.
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Old 02-19-2007, 08:16 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Alright alright. We get that you don't think pot is bad. But does it not stand to reason that if we legalize pot, other drugs will follow suit? It's not like you can say they won't push for it. They're already using alcohol being legal as grounds for this. And you can't deny the danger in using other drugs like methamphetamine, cocaine, and heroin.
what kind of argument is that?

if we legalize pot, other drugs won't necessarily follow suit. certain municipalities have legalized marijuana, and as far as i can tell, no one is lobbying to legalize crack there. they legalized it for the most part for medicinal purposes, and it is heavily regulated. and you realize marijuana and methamphetamine, cocaine, etc. are nothing alike, right?

any marijuana laws in this country would tightly regulate its use and sale, like alcohol and tobacco. i don't see what the problem is here.
Old 02-20-2007, 12:40 AM   #146 (permalink)
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what kind of argument is that?

if we legalize pot, other drugs won't necessarily follow suit. certain municipalities have legalized marijuana, and as far as i can tell, no one is lobbying to legalize crack there. they legalized it for the most part for medicinal purposes, and it is heavily regulated. and you realize marijuana and methamphetamine, cocaine, etc. are nothing alike, right?

any marijuana laws in this country would tightly regulate its use and sale, like alcohol and tobacco. i don't see what the problem is here.
Yeah, right.

Like if we legalize marijuana they won't use that as grounds to legalize other drugs. Please. They're already using the legality of alcohol and tobacco to push for this, it's common sense that it's leading to a downward slope.
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Old 02-20-2007, 02:56 AM   #147 (permalink)
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Yeah, right.

Like if we legalize marijuana they won't use that as grounds to legalize other drugs. Please. They're already using the legality of alcohol and tobacco to push for this, it's common sense that it's leading to a downward slope.

I don't think that is a downward slope. In fact I think it would greatly improve the quality of society. A former police chief agrees.

"Combined with treatment, education and other public-health programs for drug abusers, regulated legalization would make your city or town an infinitely healthier place to live and raise a family."

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Old 02-20-2007, 06:03 AM   #148 (permalink)
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Did schizophrenics choose to be schizophrenics? Didn't think so.
They don't choose to be schizophrenic, but they do choose whether to take their meds or not.
Old 02-20-2007, 06:15 AM   #149 (permalink)
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They don't choose to be schizophrenic, but they do choose whether to take their meds or not.
Ah, but that's more like a pothead choosing NOT to smoke it up. People aren't potheads because they're born that way, being a pothead is a CHOICE. Schizophrenics ARE born that way, or develop it later in life. The only CHOICE they have in that is about medication to make things easier on them and those around them.
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Ah, but that's more like a pothead choosing NOT to smoke it up. People aren't potheads because they're born that way, being a pothead is a CHOICE. Schizophrenics ARE born that way, or develop it later in life. The only CHOICE they have in that is about medication to make things easier on them and those around them.
Ah, but what if that medication was perscribed pot? (some States do allow perscribed pot for these people) Better than giving them Phenobarbatol, which is the most popular drug perscribed for this. 5 or 6 of these can kill you.
Drinking a quart of vodka can kill you(not to mention the deaths due to DWI). Smoking high quality pot 24 hours straight won't kill you. There has never been a drug overdose from smoking weed, yet it's illegal?
In addition, The crimes committed on the streets of this country have little to do with Schizophrenics. The ones that do commit crimes(even petty ones) get locked up in a Hospital indefinitely(until they are deemed safe to release, which could be years), which can be a worse experience than jail.
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