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Old 01-03-2007, 02:54 PM   #61 (permalink)
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MARIJUANA is DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.

* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.

* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.

* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.

* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 193 published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:

'...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp was already old in the service of mankind. For thousands of years, even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and cloth in China and elsewhere in the East. For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable...

...Now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese...American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our industries...

...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves. When that is gone, American hemp will go on duty again; hemp for mooring ships; hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear; hemp for countless naval uses both on ship and shore. Just as in the days when Old Ironsides sailed the seas victorious with her hempen shrouds and hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'

Certified proof from the Library of Congress; found by the research of Jack Herer, refuting claims of other government agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for Victory' did not exist.
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Your hypocricy is stunning. You support a drug that has a far more negative and profound affect on society (alcohol) yet you want prohibition of marijuana.
.. hevusa

Since you are attacking me so viciously, I can only conclude that my arguments have validity. Also, I never said I supported alcohol use. I merely said let's not go back to prohibition. The reasons for this are obvious, I feel. Lets take one of my points: I say that legalizing pot would make its use more widespread. I say this is bad because it would create more slurred-speech citizens. This, we don't need! Do you think society needs more slurred-speech citizens? You may think pot is used extensively because many people you know use it. Me? I think I've met one pot user in my entire lifetime (And I was born before Hitler was dead. In addition, I lived in California for 14 years. So don't attack me for having limited experiences.) I dispute your claim that pot is already widely used. As for the (leftist) Canadian Senate, did they do this research themselves? No? Then who did they pay to do the study or where did they get it? And how many of them are users? They may have chosen a certain group, company, university to do it because they wanted a certain result. This is still not convincing. You claim that alcohol has a far more negative and profound effect on society than pot. This is your opinion. We should change policy based on your opinion? Others have opinions too, that differ from yours.

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Old 01-03-2007, 03:57 PM   #63 (permalink)
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America is deeply in debt.
If pot would pay off that debt faster - GOOD.
I don't believe the ill-effects of marijuana are worse than those of cigarettes, which are perfectly legal.
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.. hevusa

Since you are attacking me so viciously, I can only conclude that my arguments have validity. Also, I never said I supported alcohol use. I merely said let's not go back to prohibition. The reasons for this are obvious, I feel. Lets take one of my points: I say that legalizing pot would make its use more widespread. I say this is bad because it would create more slurred-speech citizens. This, we don't need! Do you think society needs more slurred-speech citizens? You may think pot is used extensively because many people you know use it. Me? I think I've met one pot user in my entire lifetime (And I was born before Hitler was dead. In addition, I lived in California for 14 years. So don't attack me for having limited experiences.) I dispute your claim that pot is already widely used. As for the (leftist) Canadian Senate, did they do this research themselves? No? Then who did they pay to do the study or where did they get it? And how many of them are users? They may have chosen a certain group, company, university to do it because they wanted a certain result. This is still not convincing. You claim that alcohol has a far more negative and profound effect on society than pot. This is your opinion. We should change policy based on your opinion? Others have opinions too, that differ from yours.
It has no validity, We the People are tired of the deliberate dumbing down of america

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Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.
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If plastics can be made from hemp rather than oil, or cars can run cheaper on it, let's develop it, by all means. However, I don't think you should give readers the impression that present day industrial companies have been suppressing information on hemp because the value of William R. Hearst's timber holdings were threatened by hemp. Also, your extensive list of the uses of hemp does not offer any reason why it should be made legal for smoking.

In the article you link to, Mr. Doug Yurchey makes these claims that you repeat such as Thomas Jefferson grew hemp. It would be nice to see a verification of this alleged fact. Can you, intangible child, or Mr. Yurchey tell me of a credible work that refers to T. Jefferson growing hemp?

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If plastics can be made from help rather than oil, or cars can run cheaper on it, let's develop it, by all means. However, I don't think you should give readers the impression that present day industrial companies have been suppressing information on hemp because the value of William R. Hearst's timber holdings were threatened by hemp. Also, your extensive list of the uses of hemp does not offer any reason why it should be made legal for smoking.

In the article you link to, Mr. Doug Yurchey makes these claims that you repeat such as Thomas Jefferson grew hemp. It would be nice to see a verification of this alleged fact. Can you, intangible child, or Mr. Yurchey tell me of a credible work that refers to T. Jefferson growing hemp?
That is what brought on the whole lie!

The best hemp and the best tobacco grow on the same kind of soil. The former article is of the first necessity to the wealth and protection of the country. The latter, never useful.---Thomas Jefferson

"The greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add a useful plant to its culture."---Thomas Jefferson

“I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?”---Willie Nelson

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."---The Bible Genesis 1:29


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intangible - LOL - I"m on your side of this issue - but I'm not sure a quote from Willie Nelson is going to sway anybody's opinion LOL
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intangible - LOL - I"m on your side of this issue - but I'm not sure a quote from Willie Nelson is going to sway anybody's opinion LOL
I don't give a fuck, stupid is as stupid does. It can literally help the environment and break our dependence on foreign oil.

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And what's wrong with Willie Nelson, can't he believe in God and the truth? Or more appropriately should I ask preacher JayD
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welllllllll - I think he can certainly belive in God and the Truth - I'm just not sure that he is what the prosecution might call a reliable witness LOL
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I really don't think you can call it a "safer alternative to booze..." Those who are going to do pot are ALSO going to be into booze - or at least they're very likely to be doing BOTH. And isn't that what's called synergism? Isn't that alone extremely dangerous?
Synergism occurs between two depresants or two stimulants. Pot has different effects on everybody, and it's far to weak to have any affect with alcohol. Synergism is risky with more dangerous substances, like heroin and PCP or cocaine and meth.
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