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Drugs and Alcohol Debate and defend your political beliefs of whether or not some drugs should be illegal or legalized.

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Old 01-06-2007, 09:25 AM   #81 (permalink)
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To comment on Oh Dears alternatives, here's one that is also legal but can really put you out of it. Depending on how it is taken it usually only lasts from 15 minutes to an hour. This stuff is way more intense than your average pot buzz.
Salvia divinorum is an extraordinary visionary herb. It is not a recreational drug. It produces a profoundly introspective state of awareness that is useful for meditation, contemplation, and self-reflection. Its effects are unique and cannot be compared with the effects of other drugs. The effects of Salvia do not appeal to many people (young or old). The people who are most drawn to it are both mature and philosophically minded. Beware of inaccurate information. There are many unethical vendors who try to lure naive customers by portraying the effects of Salvia as more appealing than they are. The news media often sensationalizes stories about Salvia, exaggerating its effects, risks, and popularity. Much of what has appeared in the popular press is inaccurate and misleading. Salvia is not "legal pot." It is not "legal acid." It is not a substitute for any other drug. Before trying Salvia, it is important that you know about its effects, appropriate uses, and the potential risks associated with irresponsible use. Please go check out the user's guide before using it to learn more about this legal drug:
http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html
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Old 01-06-2007, 11:17 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Pot is simply a gateway drug to other drugs, my son started on pot and ended up doing everything. 4 rehabs later and more money than I would like to remember he is now clean, doesnt even smoke or drink anymore and no he didnt find jesus.
All I can say is that anyone who advocates the use of pot indirectly advocates the use of drugs, period.
I would not wish my experience on anyone, I am still paying for it and will do for the rest of my life.
My sons first reality was when his 18 year old girlfriend died and his second reality was when he got arrested. he now has a criminal record.
It all started with pot!
I doubt you, douglas, could say that your son did not drink alcohol or perhaps he even smoke cigarettes. It is pretty hard to pin things on marijuana when there are other ingredients involved and the studies show that it is not the gateway drug it is made out to be. It probably didn't all start with pot! Probably drinking. It is just the drinking was accepted because it was legal.
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I really don't think you can call it a "safer alternative to booze..." Those who are going to do pot are ALSO going to be into booze - or at least they're very likely to be doing BOTH. And isn't that what's called synergism? Isn't that alone extremely dangerous?
The Canadian study I posted called it a safer alternative to booze.
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Since you are attacking me so viciously, I can only conclude that my arguments have validity. Also, I never said I supported alcohol use. I merely said let's not go back to prohibition. The reasons for this are obvious, I feel. Lets take one of my points: I say that legalizing pot would make its use more widespread. I say this is bad because it would create more slurred-speech citizens. This, we don't need! Do you think society needs more slurred-speech citizens? You may think pot is used extensively because many people you know use it. Me? I think I've met one pot user in my entire lifetime (And I was born before Hitler was dead. In addition, I lived in California for 14 years. So don't attack me for having limited experiences.) I dispute your claim that pot is already widely used. As for the (leftist) Canadian Senate, did they do this research themselves? No? Then who did they pay to do the study or where did they get it? And how many of them are users? They may have chosen a certain group, company, university to do it because they wanted a certain result. This is still not convincing. You claim that alcohol has a far more negative and profound effect on society than pot. This is your opinion. We should change policy based on your opinion? Others have opinions too, that differ from yours.
So you are talking about something you have no personal experience with and then you discredit an investigation done by the Canadian government. Our government found the same to be true about pot until the Nixon administration started lying about it.

Alcohol has been proven to have a far more detrimental affect to society. That is why it makes all the sense in the world to offer a more safe alternative and end the obviously failed prohibition, considering the fact that the article orignially posted in this thread displayed that marijuana is the largest cash crop in America (a fact you continue to avoid).
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We had that movie on video way back when. It was good for a laugh.
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I saw the movie in middle school. Scared the hell out of me.
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I saw the movie in middle school. Scared the hell out of me.
Really? If I'd seen it in middle school, I would have known it was b.s. propaganda then too and found it even funnier.
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I have had a drastic and swift turn around in my thinking about marijuana...

now I am fifty years old, and have not ever tried it, but am wanting to, just to know what it does and what all the talk is about.

What is the safest way to get a little of it without getting a fine?

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