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Drugs and Alcohol Debate and defend your political beliefs of whether or not some drugs should be illegal or legalized.

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Old 03-29-2007, 07:30 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The drug war is just another way the government tries to controll our lives.
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Old 03-31-2007, 08:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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You are right, of course A-c.
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"In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty is in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place, oblige it to control itself." James Madison
The logical proof that we have run amok w/ Drug War is this:

In the 18th Century, it was a Founding principle of the United States that Liberty is a:
1) Creator endowed
2) Constitutionally enumerated
3) Unalienable right.

But in the 21st Century, Drug War infringes or usurps this unalienable right of Liberty.

What's the contradiction?
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unalienable (ùn-âl´ye-ne-bel, -â´lê-e-) adjective
Not to be separated, given away, or taken away *
Now logically; how can a right which is "Not to be separated, given away, or taken away" possibly be rightly infringed or usurped?

It can't.
It's an unresolvable contradiction.

* Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
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Old 03-31-2007, 01:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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While the stats may vary from year to year, I believe your underlying point is substantially correct.
If the drugs we most strictly regulate were determined by each drug's own intrinsic detrimental pharmacology, then beverage alcohol (ethanol), and tobacco would be among the most highly restricted drugs in the country.

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To anyone interested, Anti may have been remiss in omitting links to these data. But why entrust your own political position on it to ONE Internet reference. I believe if you each do your own Googling about it, you'll find independent corroboration of the essence of this thread.

It's not a "War on Drugs". It's a conspiracy to treason against United States citizens, by members of their own government.

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I do not entrust my own political position on ONE internet source. Positions in debates are strengthened by more than one source. If there is no source whatsoever I tend to ignore the position.
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Drug War Facts: Annual Causes of Death in the United States
Drug Deaths
Deaths from Smoking - WrongDiagnosis.com
BBSNews: Recreational Drug Deaths in the US 2002
National Drug Control Strategy 2000 - ONDCP
Alcohol Related Deaths for the Year 2000#
http://www.drugwatch.org/CEDARS/MarDeaths2002e.pdf
truth: the Anti-drugwar Overview of Marijuana Induced Deaths (1979 - 2002)

drug war deaths
Drug War Victims

Is this enough sources?
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Deaths

Tobacco- 435,000

Alcohol- 85,000

Illegal Drugs- 17,000

Marijuana- 0

It would also be interesting to include the number of deaths from prescription medications in this list.
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It would also be interesting to include the number of deaths from prescription medications in this list.
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Yup! Thanks!

Did you read the report on which your first link is based (in part):
http://www.csdp.org/research/1238.pdf
and do you agree with how they derived their numbers?
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done
Where?

I was looking for it. I suspect that the PX drugs have a much higher death rate than pot, but I want the numbers.
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Please forgive me Anti. I hadn't intended that as a homework assignment.
You done good.
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As a child, aspirin was used as the semantic epitome of low risk / no risk pharmacology. "As safe as aspirin ..." was one such phrase.

It turns out aspirin can cause or contribute to stroke, stomach ulcers, and various other potentially life threatening conditions.
So to say marijuana is as safe as aspirin may be statistically false. Marijuana may be substantially safer than aspirin.
None the less, in the U.S., by federal law, marijuana remains a Schedule One drug (unavailable even by prescription); and aspirin remains available OTC (no prescription necessary).
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Please forgive me Anti. I hadn't intended that as a homework assignment.
You done good.
Thanks.

As a child, aspirin was used as the semantic epitome of low risk / no risk pharmacology. "As safe as aspirin ..." was one such phrase.

It turns out aspirin can cause or contribute to stroke, stomach ulcers, and various other potentially life threatening conditions.
So to say marijuana is as safe as aspirin may be statistically false. Marijuana may be substantially safer than aspirin.
None the less, in the U.S., by federal law, marijuana remains a Schedule One drug (unavailable even by prescription); and aspirin remains available OTC (no prescription necessary).



Funny you mention that one... Aspirin upsets my stomach something awful and I can't use it.

Honestly, I've never studied the side effects of pot so it would be inappropriate for me to comment on comparisons.

If you claim that pot is substantially safer, you are going to have to provide proof.
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