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Old 05-11-2006, 02:43 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Just went to NORML and found out that I was wrong about what I wrote above, at least technically. One ounce or less is a petty misdemeanor with no prior history and gets a fine of $50 to $100 and 15 days in jail.
Personally though,
ever since I moved here I've always heard 1/4 oz. or less means nothing here.

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Just went to NORML and found out that I was wrong about what I wrote above, at least technically. One ounce or less is a petty misdemeanor with no prior history and gets a fine of $50 to $100 and 15 days in jail.
Personally though,
ever since I moved here I've always heard 1/4 oz. or less means nothing here.

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In Seattle marijuana has been given a lower priority than jay walking!! Literally.

That being said I know a guy that got a jay walking ticket
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In Seattle marijuana has been given a lower priority than jay walking!! Literally.

That being said I know a guy that got a jay walking ticket
Is that like...I have a friend that....
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for example if you legalize drugs than it will be everywhere
will you be happy if your son or daughter takes drugs because its legal and you cant do anything???
dont you see that legalize everything make more dangers for everyone not only for them who broke law
i think this is not your freedom you would like to have
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for example if you legalize drugs than it will be everywhere
will you be happy if your son or daughter takes drugs because its legal and you cant do anything???
dont you see that legalize everything make more dangers for everyone not only for them who broke law
i think this is not your freedom you would like to have

I think the dangers of drugs are very much there even when illegal. The difference would be that if legalized and regulated we could provide a safer environment for both the user and non user. Safer for the user because they would receive regulated doses (not a guessing game) at fair prices and have greater access to treatment & counsil. And safer for the non user as crime would decrease as the power of the dealer is diminished.
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I think the dangers of drugs are very much there even when illegal. The difference would be that if legalized and regulated we could provide a safer environment for both the user and non user. Safer for the user because they would receive regulated doses (not a guessing game) at fair prices and have greater access to treatment & counsil. And safer for the non user as crime would decrease as the power of the dealer is diminished.
You've got to be crazy. People drugged up on these drugs (heroin, meth, cocaine you name it) are physcopaths. They have no care for other peoples lives on these drugs. Regulated doses? A year on meth will kill you. One hit of these strongs drugs can fry someones brain for life. These kind of drugs help no one and ruin many lives. As for fair prices? You want to offer these people a bargain to ruin their lives and that would increase the rate of overdose. Druggies dont want treatment is what you don't understand they want drugs.
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Old 05-13-2006, 11:06 AM   #138 (permalink)
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You've got to be crazy. People drugged up on these drugs (heroin, meth, cocaine you name it) are physcopaths. They have no care for other peoples lives on these drugs. Regulated doses? A year on meth will kill you. One hit of these strongs drugs can fry someones brain for life. These kind of drugs help no one and ruin many lives. As for fair prices? You want to offer these people a bargain to ruin their lives and that would increase the rate of overdose. Druggies dont want treatment is what you don't understand they want drugs.
How many drug addict do you really know? I can't help notice you are again using what you have been told. Told to you by more people that have little first hand info. Like it or not people that want to do drugs will, if they are legal or not. So, basicly you think that we should continue to give the hardcore drug dealers a way to ply their trade. Organized crime and the multi-billion dollar drug smuggling industry would be shut down if drugs were legal. Holland has legal everything and the crime rate dropped big time since they went legal. I don't do any heavy drugs so don't start calling names again. I just think that alot more is involved than what you have considered. I repeat- drug addicts will do drugs no matter if they are legal or not. By legalizing it would bring the price down(like in Amsterdam) and it would enable the already addicted people to get drugs cheaper. Do you realize this would take away thier need to commit crimes against innocent people(like Amsterdam), stop the real criminals from selling it, and get the US out of debt? Proper education is the key to stopping future generations from doing drugs. Legalizing would only enable educators to be honest about all of the drugs. Some people try drugs for the thrill of doing something illegal. Eventually people would see how messed up the addicts are, and drug use would go down.
Also, some drug addicts do want treatment. There would not be such a high population of addicts in volunteer rehabs if what you said were true.
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http://www.cedro-uva.org/lib/reinarman.dutch.html

U.S. drug warriors tend to lump all illicit drugs together, as if all were equally dangerous and addictive. Dutch drug policy makes pragmatic distinctions based on relative risks. When U.S. officials are confronted by scientific evidence showing marijuana to be among the least risky drugs, they fall back on the claim that it is a "stepping stone" to hard drugs. But here, too, the evidence from Dutch surveys is heresy: despite lawful availability, the majority of Dutch people never try marijuana, and most who do try it don't continue to use even marijuana very often, much less harder drugs.

In short, the Dutch facts destroy the Drug Czar's core claims. Those who have built their careers in the U.S. drug control complex fear Dutch drug policy like the Catholic Church feared Gallileo: they must believe the Dutch model is a disaster, for if it is not their whole cosmology shatters.

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I doubt you will take the time to go check out this link muchless educate yourself by reading the whole thing, so to summarize, Legal drugs lead to less drug addicts, and the country would have less crime. If drug addict are going to do drugs anyway, what would be wrong with legalization?
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Old 05-13-2006, 12:24 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Well in BC they have a bait car program and one druggy who stole a car was high on meth and was driving at well over 100 miles an hour while shooting a loaded pistol out the window while screaming the f word. But as you say "I can't help notice you are again using what you have been told". And another things "Do you realize this would take away thier need to commit crimes against innocent people". These drug addicts have no money in the first place.
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Well in BC they have a bait car program and one druggy who stole a car was high on meth and was driving at well over 100 miles an hour while shooting a loaded pistol out the window while screaming the f word. But as you say "I can't help notice you are again using what you have been told". And another things "Do you realize this would take away thier need to commit crimes against innocent people". These drug addicts have no money in the first place.
No one said drug addicts weren't dangerous or assholes for that matter. That person stole the car to pay for his drug addiction and didn't want to go to jail(were he should go for stealing the car)probably for a long time. I don't doubt the fact that the combination of the drugs and the fear of getting caught were the reason for this guy's dangerous stupid moves. Most addict don't want to go through withdrawals in prison and that makes them a danger. Not very hard to figure out. The point is that we as a people are not only prosecuting these people that commit crimes to get the drugs but locking people up for simple possession too. Like it or not the fact remains that the cost of an addict's fixes for the month, as the system is, is the amount of most people's rent. The cost to make these drugs is pennies. Just how much money do you think they would need if it was legal? I see by your response you could only muster an answer from what you have been told, again. You are happy being misinformed rather than admit that if it worked to stop crime, and drug addiction declined greatly in Holland, it could work here too. Did you read the link I provided?
If you want to have a real education in this subject you first really need to realize that all the hype and reasons for not legalizing are Drug Czars bullshit. They are smart enough to know that if it worked in Holland, it could work here. The promise of taking peoples homes and cars and anything associated with them and thier drugs is the greedy incentive to keep the laws the way they are. They won't even legalize pot because the know they will make 100s of millions of dollars from take people's property, again this year. If you don't see this as a a incentive for the greedy government to keep drugs illegal, than you probably will never really want to know the truth anyway.
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