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Old 05-20-2007, 06:49 PM   #201 (permalink)
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While I did not have 15 years of addiction, I had enough time with them to know their effects on lives. I was not so lucky to escape without permanent scars. I would never support the insanity of legalizing ALL drugs.

I agree with most of your post, with the exception of weed. I never saw anyone die from weed, and I do not believe it is a gateway drug either. I believe it has useful medical properties that can help many people. If the US government would stop suppressing research in this field the truth will be known.
I'm with you on this one Akuma, et.al. I think the outlawing of pot is pretty ridiculous especially when it does have medicinal properties. I personally believe alcohol is far more harmful to a person's body than weed.

Other than that I am NOT for the legalizing of harmful/addictive drugs with no known medicinal qualities. To me that is the opening of an obvious Pandora'sBox.
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Old 05-20-2007, 07:16 PM   #202 (permalink)
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I am totally against the government legalizing drug use. Already drug related deaths is at a all time high, and to say its okay to use drugs under the guidelines of the law is a outrage.
Then why should alcohol and tobacco be legal?

I mean, these two drugs share the bulk of all deaths caused by all non-medicinally-used drugs.
Old 05-21-2007, 06:43 PM   #203 (permalink)
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Then why should alcohol and tobacco be legal?

I mean, these two drugs share the bulk of all deaths caused by all non-medicinally-used drugs.
Alcohol & Cigarettes is legal. Why do you think that most states have
taxes? Where have you ever read where street drugs was taxed?
Another important item is perhaps IF drugs was to become taxable.
It would bring down the street drug value, and it would take most
school age children off the streets from selling drugs.

Plus it would put a stop to these old crackheads spending their SSI,
or their penison money on street drugs, and By me working for a law
firm I see many cases in court where the parent(s) have given their
kids the okay to sell drugs.

Believe it or Not your government is getting over by supervising the
sale of prescription weed, and if you look at it that's a form of
legalizing weed. So I am saying what damn differences will it make
by legalizing everything, due to the fact that people will still do what
they wanna do, and until Washington D.C takes charge legalizing
anything is a failer.
Old 05-22-2007, 04:15 AM   #204 (permalink)
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"Already drug related deaths is at a all time high ..." PP
Amusing pun.
The U.S. feds. (FDA, I imagine) has told GlaxoSmithKline that their diabetes treatment drug Avandia seems to increase risk of fatal heart problems. Some estimates are that 10,000 Americans per year die due to this side affect.

Yet this deadly dangerous drug remains legal, and available.
How many humans have died as a result of the pharmacological affects of marijuana?

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"I am totally against the government legalizing drug use." PP
Then you sir, are against the Creator endowed, Constitutionally enumerated, unalienable right of Liberty.
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:45 AM   #205 (permalink)
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Amusing pun.
The U.S. feds. (FDA, I imagine) has told GlaxoSmithKline that their diabetes treatment drug Avandia seems to increase risk of fatal heart problems. Some estimates are that 10,000 Americans per year die due to this side affect.

Yet this deadly dangerous drug remains legal, and available.
How many humans have died as a result of the pharmacological affects of marijuana?

Then you sir, are against the Creator endowed, Constitutionally enumerated, unalienable right of Liberty.
Read what I said, and don't twist my words to fit your agenda.
So you are saying that to legalize drugs won't stop you from
getting robbed,or your car getting carjacked. You are really
confusing me on this issue, due to the fact that you're sounds
two faced, and I suggest that you pick the side you are on.
Old 05-23-2007, 04:57 AM   #206 (permalink)
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"Read what I said ..." PP
I not only read it. I quoted it, and then responded to it.
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"... and don't twist my words to fit your agenda." PP
It wouldn't occur to me.
First of all, I have no need to twist, or recycle your words, when I have an inexhaustible supply of my own.
Second, I'm superbly capable of expressing myself independently.

The fact is, I was responding to your comment. I have twisted nothing.

My agenda is Liberty, and justice for all.
And if you have ever pledged your allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, then you are honor bound to precisely the same agenda I am.
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pledge (plèj) noun
1. A solemn binding promise *
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"So you are saying that to legalize drugs won't stop you from
getting robbed,or your car getting carjacked." PP
?!
And YOU accuse ME of "twist"ing "words"?
Please quote any assertion I have posted here, about robbery or carjacking.
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"you're sounds two faced" PP
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two-faced (t¡´fâst´) adjective
Hypocritical or double-dealing; deceitful. *
There is no deception in my post.
There is no hypocrisy in my position. I invite you to attempt to cite any.
I advocate Liberty. Liberty is not hypocritical.

If there is a hypocrite here, it would seem to be you.
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"I suggest that you pick the side you are on." PP
?!
I did that decades ago.

I am on the side of Liberty, and justice for all.
What a pity that you are not.

* Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
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Old 05-24-2007, 12:37 PM   #207 (permalink)
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Okay Sears Whatever you say. I am not a hard guy to deal with,
and you have your opinion and I have mine.

However Show me Liberity here in America for the minority?
Liberity is suppose to consist of the choice to have freedom.
Freedom from arbitrary or despotic control, or to have the
privilege. That's what liberity means.

Also to inform you I have no agenda like you seem to have,
and sure you can express your a** off if you want to I
won't stop you believe me. Also I think that you need to
clean your glasses. Yeah I said to legalize drugs won't stop
you from getting robbed,or your car getting carjacked, and
if you can't accept that ...oh well that's on you.

In closing...I have to go now that you claiming Justice for
All. You know like I know that NO BLACK MAN will get fair
Justice. So don't give me that crap. I am out here everyday
fighting for my Brothers to get a fair trial. Now you tell me
that fair justice is being convicted by a all white jurie?

Let me stop at everything I just posted, due to the fact
that you cause yourself correcting me, and what you are
really doing is making things worse. See with a statement
like this... I am on the side of Liberty, and justice for all.
What a pity that you are not. You don't know me well
enough to tell me what I don't stand for. I tell you one damn
thing...I am against people who think they know everything.
Old 05-24-2007, 02:57 PM   #208 (permalink)
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"However Show me Liberity here in America for the minority?" PP
I know.
In the United States of America, we are all entitled to justice.
But the justice the wealthy get tends to be so much more benevolent than the justice the poor, or minorities get.
Generally, the wealthy have better law firms, and better political connections.
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"Liberity is suppose to consist of the choice to have freedom.
Freedom from arbitrary or despotic control, or to have the
privilege. That's what liberity means." PP
Careful.
We must exercise great caution when defining our terms.

For clarity, freedom means you have a right to flail your fist, whenever, and where ever you want.
Liberty means you have a right to flail your fist; but that right ends short of where my nose begins.

See the difference?
Here's the definition of Liberty I like:
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Liberty means the right, & power to think, act, and express ones self in the manner of ones own choosing; provided that Liberty does not infringe or usurp the Liberty of another or others.
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"Also to inform you I have no agenda like you seem to have,
and sure you can express your a** off if you want to I
won't stop you believe me. Also I think that you need to
clean your glasses. Yeah I said to legalize drugs won't stop
you from getting robbed,or your car getting carjacked, and
if you can't accept that ...oh well that's on you." PP
?
During Prohibition, there was a monumental amount of crime, including alcohol related drive-by shootings (they used Thompson submachine guns back then, not Uzis).

When they repealed Prohibition, the crime associated with the prohibited drug went away. Although different problems have surfaced, DWI for example. But they're not as bad as Prohibition was. And there is NO significant political movement to bring back alcohol prohibition again.
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"However Show me Liberity here in America for the minority?" PP
The U.S. Drug War is a powerful engine of injustice.
Just read the Drug War (DW) statistics. Blacks are a minority in the U.S.
But some stats I've read indicate Blacks are busted more for simple drug possession than Whites. And all the stats on it indicate Blacks are busted disproportionately to their portion of the population. Other stats I've read indicate recreational use of these prohibited drugs per capita by Blacks is no worse than that of Whites.
Therefore it's Blacks that suffer disproportionately because of Drug War.
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"In closing...I have to go now that you claiming Justice for
All. You know like I know that NO BLACK MAN will get fair
Justice. So don't give me that crap. I am out here everyday
fighting for my Brothers to get a fair trial. Now you tell me
that fair justice is being convicted by a all white jurie?" PP
No!
Just the opposite.
I'm saying Blacks do NOT get equal justice. And I believe Drug War is one major reason why.

I'm NOT saying Blacks are getting equal justice.
I'm saying Blacks deserve justice just as much as Whites do.

I think it is an intolerable injustice that we can't rely on getting equal justice under law.
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"I am on the side of Liberty, and justice for all." PP
If so, I doubt you'd favor the so called "War on Drugs" which is really a War against Americans, some Americans more than others.
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"What a pity that you are not." PP
PP,
You needn't think much of me.
Some may think I don't know much.
But there is ONE thing about which I am the world's leading authority. And that's my own opinion.

I am an unflinching, unrepentant, unbridled advocate of Liberty and justice for all.

You're welcome to take just about any position you wish, on just about any issue. But if you take that position about me, you're just plain wrong.
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I just watched the movie "Grass". Great documentary.
It showed how many billions of dollars have been wasted on marijuana prohibition. It is sick and wrong.
Even if you don't smoke you should check out this movie.
No thanks... I would rather watch old reruns of 'Sesame Street' than that bunk. Thanks... but no thanks.





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Old 05-29-2007, 04:05 PM   #210 (permalink)
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[quote=sears] Careful.
We must exercise great caution when defining our terms.

For clarity, freedom means you have a right to flail your fist,
whenever, and where ever you want. Liberty means you have
a right to flail your fist; but that right ends short of where my
nose begins.

Careful??? Careful for What? I don't have to be careful when it comes
to me expressing myself. Freedom? I don't believe that Blacks will ever
have any freedom. I do not celebrate the 4th of July, and why should
I celebrate something just because the white man wants me to do so.

Your post has allowed me to really come out to express myself, due to
the fact that you may see freedom as a gift from the White man, and I
see a complete different picture.

[quote=sears] The U.S. Drug War is a powerful engine of injustice.
Just read the Drug War (DW) statistics. Blacks are a minority in the U.S.
But some stats I've read indicate Blacks are busted more for simple drug
possession than Whites. And all the stats on it indicate Blacks are busted
disproportionately to their portion of the population. Other stats I've read
indicate recreational use of these prohibited drugs per capita by Blacks is
no worse than that of Whites.
Therefore it's Blacks that suffer disproportionately because of Drug War.

The Drug War??? Blacks was never into selling drugs, or using the drugs
until we was taught that with drugs we can rule the world,,,,that's s**t.
All due respect to you, but I am getting a sense that you're Black, and
if I am wrong you fooled me.

We have always been the damn minority plus easy to be misleded real
quick. Sure Blacks will always get busted before whites, and some Blacks
can't understand why. We get busted because we are targets from the
beginning, and yet facts claim that whites is the most to unlikely get
busted for drugs. Hell Yeah that's true, but we are to caught up in
thinking about the almighty dollar, and we figure why slave 7 days a
week. When a weeks pay can be made in two hours.

This sentence is the first real statement you made in your entire post
that makes sense...... I'm saying Blacks deserve justice just as much
as Whites do. As for calling me two faced..I really thought the same damn
thing about you. As a matter of fact I even when so far to think of you
as a yes em Master type of person.

To other posters...please accept my humble apology, but I do believe
strongly in Freedom to express myself, and some of the contents in
sears post I had to express my opinions & thoughts. Catch you at
the next time around Sears.

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