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Points: 49,635, Level: 100 | Level up: 2%, 0 Points needed | | Ron Paul discredits nasty attacks on CNN Late Edition
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07-07-2007, 11:19 PM
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Level up: 53%, 110 Points needed | | Ron Paul is saying the damn truth whether we like it or not. We DID invite the animosity of foreign radicals when we messed with their business. Before Israel, hell before the Shah was deposed, the last time we fought muslims was when we fought Tripoli, about two hundred years ago.
Neutrality is the way to go. Too bad too many people think that we have to police the world.
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07-07-2007, 11:31 PM
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Points: 49,635, Level: 100 | Level up: 2%, 0 Points needed | | 100% Agreed... I am a big Ron Paul fan... he's the most sensible candidate I have seen yet. And he's the only republican I'd support at this point. | |
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07-07-2007, 11:44 PM
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Level up: 53%, 110 Points needed | | I might actually support him over Kucinich. I'm not sure, though. I'd hae to know about his stance on the separation of church and state.
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07-07-2007, 11:54 PM
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07-08-2007, 12:28 AM
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Points: 12,140, Level: 72 | Level up: 73%, 310 Points needed | | First of all, I agree with everything Ron Paul has to say about foreign policy.
However, I think he has to realize one thing. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of Goldwater 'small-government' conservatism. Now it is the Party of statism and mindless Christian fascism. He has no chance getting elected by the Republican base who have been accepting the Party line no matter what it was (after all, they've went almost a full 180 in ideology without a peep). If he was nominated however, he might have a sure chance of winning the general election; but in terms of the nomination...no way.
The ideology of the Republican Party is the Party. Party loyalty must be maintained.
I'm pretty sure he knows this, as I can see he's a very smart man. However, I believe he's just trying to give an alternate opinion in the dynamic, and perhaps try and wake up old Goldwater conservatism.
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07-08-2007, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by hevusa  Why is it that the republican candidate that is the brightest won't go anywhere within the party???? | republican party
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07-08-2007, 01:06 AM
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Points: 17,941, Level: 85 | Level up: 86%, 409 Points needed | | I can't help but wonder how many people are listening to his statements and thinking "That can't be right", and that's all the effort that goes into it.
He talks about the 9/11 commission, and there was another CIA report put out afterwards that said the same thing. Our actions in the Middle East are INCREASING terrorism.
Does that automatically mean we should stop? No. Not based just on that.
But it DOES put some patently idiotic statements in perspective from some people who claim ridiculous things like "They hate us for our freedom".
Also, the attempt to link Democrats to starting wars was interesting, and I believe historically fairly interesting. It does seem the Democrats are usually in power, although I think some examples should easily be dismissed since the war was inevitable. Like World War II and attacking the Taliban in Afghanistan (with George Bush). Quote: |
Originally Posted by Hevusa Why is it that the republican candidate that is the brightest won't go anywhere within the party???? | Because they pride themselves on criticizing intelligence. That even though the facts point elsewhere, they're too good to be fooled.
Just look at global warming, evolution, statements on the scientific aspects of gays, etc, etc...
They want to stick with their religious base, and if intelligence points elsewhere then obviously intelligence is "liberal" and should be politicized so it can be ignored as just another opinion. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Katczinsky Now it is the Party of statism and mindless Christian fascism. He has no chance getting elected by the Republican base who have been accepting the Party line no matter what it was (after all, they've went almost a full 180 in ideology without a peep). If he was nominated however, he might have a sure chance of winning the general election; but in terms of the nomination...no way.
The ideology of the Republican Party is the Party. Party loyalty must be maintained. | I thought it deserved to be reposted.
Bush is an excellent example of this at an extreme level. He nominates people who aren't qualified for the job he nominates them for, and he stands by them even after they screw up.
That's a great quality in a friend, but in a president and a boss??? NO.
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky First of all, I agree with everything Ron Paul has to say about foreign policy.
However, I think he has to realize one thing. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of Goldwater 'small-government' conservatism. Now it is the Party of statism and mindless Christian fascism. He has no chance getting elected by the Republican base who have been accepting the Party line no matter what it was (after all, they've went almost a full 180 in ideology without a peep). If he was nominated however, he might have a sure chance of winning the general election; but in terms of the nomination...no way.
The ideology of the Republican Party is the Party. Party loyalty must be maintained.
I'm pretty sure he knows this, as I can see he's a very smart man. However, I believe he's just trying to give an alternate opinion in the dynamic, and perhaps try and wake up old Goldwater conservatism. | If the Republicans were still Republicans, I'd be a moderate. Somewhere along the line, somebod messed up. I'm willing to bet it was Reagan. Or it could have been earlier.
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07-08-2007, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky First of all, I agree with everything Ron Paul has to say about foreign policy.
However, I think he has to realize one thing. The Republican Party is no longer the Party of Goldwater 'small-government' conservatism. Now it is the Party of statism and mindless Christian fascism. He has no chance getting elected by the Republican base who have been accepting the Party line no matter what it was (after all, they've went almost a full 180 in ideology without a peep). If he was nominated however, he might have a sure chance of winning the general election; but in terms of the nomination...no way.
The ideology of the Republican Party is the Party. Party loyalty must be maintained.
I'm pretty sure he knows this, as I can see he's a very smart man. However, I believe he's just trying to give an alternate opinion in the dynamic, and perhaps try and wake up old Goldwater conservatism. | It's very sad... but I agree with you.. It will be hard to get the Republicans to stop being little automatons and think for themselves... | |
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