Catholics choose a Nazi for Pope

hevusa · 04-25-2005, 12:17 PM

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no i do... but hitler caused alot of pain and tradgedy for the jews... more than what they did to that guy... so if they are willing to overlook it why can't he?

Sorry RWE, I went back and re-read. My apologies.
Yes, the pope did seem to protest what was happening in Nazi Germany. For that he should be praised.

For filling people's lives with what could be illusion is the downfall however. I find that aspect of religion very untruthful.

onlyoneplanet · 04-25-2005, 05:23 PM

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but if the jewish people can praise the pope, you know the one's that were most affected by hitler, why can't you?

Why can't you give up your ideals and philosophies as a conservative republican?

.... that had nothing to do with anying..

To tell you the truth, comrade, I don't see a whole lot of good in what America is doing to the world's working class; farmers, ranchers, small family-owned businesses. Free trade has devastated their culture.

Corn has been grown in Mexico for 9,000 years and in that period of time, crops have evolved to grow in many different conditions; high altitudes, low altitudes, areas with little water, areas where it can be brutally cold, etc. These farmers base their whole lives around these crops, then America, with it's glorious free trade agreement is selling it's bio-engineered corn in Mexico, which the upper/middle classes are buying up and turning their backs on the farmers they've depended on for so many years.

We see corporations dominating the third world, we see the working classes' econimic situation worsening; people unable to afford a real education and forced to enroll in trade schools where they learn to perform a certain task assigned to them rather than becoming the person they want to be. And those who can't even afford trade schools continue to labor for the corporations who're the only ones offering jobs since all the small family businesses have been shut down because they can no longer compete. PEOPLE ARE NOT MEANT TO LIVE THAT WAY. It nullifies their free will and destroys their lives.

WTO and NAFTA are a pin-prick when it comes to all the terrible things America has done all in the name of profit or Christian morality. And apparently, conservative republicans support these things.

I have respect for peaceful men, but when their beliefs infringe upon others' rights, then there's a problem. I agree that John Paul II was a great man. Though, I think no single person or institution should have such a vast influence on the free minds of this planet.

RidinHighSpeeds · 04-25-2005, 05:26 PM

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Sorry RWE, I went back and re-read. My apologies.
Yes, the pope did seem to protest what was happening in Nazi Germany. For that he should be praised.

Great to see you understand that.

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For filling people's lives with what could be illusion is the downfall however. I find that aspect of religion very untruthful.

Oh now why did you have to screw it up?

Well that is your opinion and your entitled to that.

RWE · 04-25-2005, 05:45 PM

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btw http://kyw.com/mideast/mideast_story_110075722.html if all of these jewish people can parise the pope why can't you?

Because religion makes this planet and the people on it so jaded and out of touch with reality and morality.

If you ask me, dude, modern day Christian society is the anti-Christ.

I completely agree. In my opinion this world would be MUCH better off without it and all religions.

The simple fact is that no human knows for sure. Any answer in regards to GOD except "I don't know" is a lie and a threat to reality.

That is why it is called faith.. and your apologie is accepted..

hevusa · 04-25-2005, 06:25 PM

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Sorry RWE, I went back and re-read. My apologies.
Yes, the pope did seem to protest what was happening in Nazi Germany. For that he should be praised.

Great to see you understand that.

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Originally Posted by hevusa

For filling people's lives with what could be illusion is the downfall however. I find that aspect of religion very untruthful.

Oh now why did you have to screw it up?

Well that is your opinion and your entitled to that.

It is more than opinion. No one can (objectively) know anything about God. Anyone who claims to (including the Pope) is not being truthful. That is dangerous, especially when magnifed to the level of a Pope's influence.

RidinHighSpeeds · 04-25-2005, 06:35 PM

Seems to me that people who are very religous, usually attend church events. These types of events benefit the needy, benefit the towns, benefit many things. I have attended many of these events where I had to serve food to the homeless in the shelters, donate clothing to the homeless, donate money to charities, attend events that helps out the church/town, etc.

My point; Even if God never existed...What is the problem with religion?

hevusa · 04-25-2005, 06:36 PM

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Seems to me that people who are very religous, usually attend church events. These types of events benefit the needy, benefit the towns, benefit many things. I have attended many of these events where I had to serve food to the homeless in the shelters, donate clothing to the homeless, donate money to charities, attend events that helps out the church/town, etc.

My point; Even if God never existed...What is the problem with religion?

My problem? All the good things mentioned above can easily be achieved without the negative and dividing affects of religion (and should).

Religion is an assault against reality and thus negatively affects how the world is interpreted by those affected by religion.

RidinHighSpeeds · 04-25-2005, 06:41 PM

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My problem? All the good things mentioned above can easily be achieved without the negative and dividing affects of religion.

This is the problem! I don't see these things being achieved by people who are athiest or who do not attend church. I don't have statistics to back up my point but I am at these events and it's suprising to see hundreds accept communion during the event.

Anyone can join these events around Boston, but I see mostly religous people in the events.

If indeed many people who are not religous attended these events, you would be 100% correct hevusa.

hevusa · 04-25-2005, 06:47 PM

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My problem? All the good things mentioned above can easily be achieved without the negative and dividing affects of religion.

This is the problem! I don't see these things being achieved by people who are athiest or who do not attend church. I don't have statistics to back up my point but I am at these events and it's suprising to see hundreds accept communion during the event.

Anyone can join these events around Boston, but I see mostly religous people in the events.

If indeed many people who are not religous attended these events, you would be 100% correct hevusa.

If they weren't done in the name of religion we could include everyone. Doing it under the guise of religion only serves to exclude people. Religion only conquers that which it is trying to achieve.

RidinHighSpeeds · 04-25-2005, 08:49 PM

I think you are still missing my point.