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Old 04-25-2005, 09:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I think you are still missing my point.

Our lives (to a large extent) have been guided and influenced by religion for thousands of years and it just isn't working out. It hasn't worked thus far... maybe honesty is what is lacking and that is why it doesn't work.
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What are the bad side-effects of religion other than a belief in a God?

Does it lead to murder?

Does it lead to poverty?

What is so bad about believing in something and joining a group of believers?
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What are the bad side-effects of religion other than a belief in a God?

Does it lead to murder?

Does it lead to poverty?

What is so bad about believing in something and joining a group of believers?

I feel the dishonesty is the worse thing. The division it causes within families and across the globe is incredible. It causes guilt and bigotry (masturbation, sex, homosexuals).

And it pains my heart to think of little kids that are forced to think about these earth shaking things at such a young age. Good, evil, the fate of their souls, getting into heaven, etc. I don't think that is good for them emotionally.

But the dishonesty and division it causes around the planet, between humans that already have enough natural division in their lives, is disgusting to me.
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What are the bad side-effects of religion other than a belief in a God?

Does it lead to murder?

Does it lead to poverty?

What is so bad about believing in something and joining a group of believers?

I feel the dishonesty is the worse thing. The division it causes within families and across the globe is incredible. It causes guilt and bigotry (masturbation, sex, homosexuals).

And it pains my heart to think of little kids that are forced to think about these earth shaking things at such a young age. Good, evil, the fate of their souls, getting into heaven, etc. I don't think that is good for them emotionally.

But the dishonesty and division it causes around the planet, between humans that already have enough natural division in their lives, is disgusting to me.
We'll if people wouldn't choose to have sex until marriage there wouldn't be a need for guilt and bigotry? no homosexuality is just wrong and obviously if they are unable to reproduce (which is how we still have a population) obvisouly it wasen't meant for them to be homosexuals..
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What are the bad side-effects of religion other than a belief in a God?

Does it lead to murder?

Does it lead to poverty?

What is so bad about believing in something and joining a group of believers?

I feel the dishonesty is the worse thing. The division it causes within families and across the globe is incredible. It causes guilt and bigotry (masturbation, sex, homosexuals).

And it pains my heart to think of little kids that are forced to think about these earth shaking things at such a young age. Good, evil, the fate of their souls, getting into heaven, etc. I don't think that is good for them emotionally.

But the dishonesty and division it causes around the planet, between humans that already have enough natural division in their lives, is disgusting to me.
We'll if people wouldn't choose to have sex until marriage there wouldn't be a need for guilt and bigotry? no homosexuality is just wrong and obviously if they are unable to reproduce (which is how we still have a population) obvisouly it wasen't meant for them to be homosexuals..
This is great. RidingHigh- this is a great example of what I'm speaking of. And this is not an isolated case.
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This is great. RidingHigh- this is a great example of what I'm speaking of. And this is not an isolated case.
I see your point.
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This is great. RidingHigh- this is a great example of what I'm speaking of. And this is not an isolated case.
I see your point.
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This is great. RidingHigh- this is a great example of what I'm speaking of. And this is not an isolated case.
I see your point.
I second that!
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I feel the dishonesty is the worse thing. The division it causes within families and across the globe is incredible. It causes guilt and bigotry (masturbation, sex, homosexuals).

And it pains my heart to think of little kids that are forced to think about these earth shaking things at such a young age. Good, evil, the fate of their souls, getting into heaven, etc. I don't think that is good for them emotionally.

But the dishonesty and division it causes around the planet, between humans that already have enough natural division in their lives, is disgusting to me.
Thought about what you wrote hevusa for some time and I do see your point...which is why I am going to step aside from this debate.
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What are the bad side-effects of religion other than a belief in a God?

Does it lead to murder?

Does it lead to poverty?

What is so bad about believing in something and joining a group of believers?

I feel the dishonesty is the worse thing. The division it causes within families and across the globe is incredible. It causes guilt and bigotry (masturbation, sex, homosexuals).

And it pains my heart to think of little kids that are forced to think about these earth shaking things at such a young age. Good, evil, the fate of their souls, getting into heaven, etc. I don't think that is good for them emotionally.

But the dishonesty and division it causes around the planet, between humans that already have enough natural division in their lives, is disgusting to me.
We'll if people wouldn't choose to have sex until marriage there wouldn't be a need for guilt and bigotry? no homosexuality is just wrong and obviously if they are unable to reproduce (which is how we still have a population) obvisouly it wasen't meant for them to be homosexuals..
RWE, you're greatly simplifying a few very, very complex issues. Well, the idea that one's soul is doomed to roam the firey Christian hells because they had sex before a priest pronouced them husband and wife is COMPLETELY ridiculous.

You don't really believe in a literal heaven and hell do you?
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