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04-27-2005, 07:52 PM
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Ah, I see. So you get to decide what religions are a joke and which are serious. Interesting. There is no way the planet is going to agree on one view about God. Most families can't even come to an agreement on the matter. And if you do say anything other than "I don't know" in regards to God you are a liar (something that goes against even Christianity). No human can objectively know if God exists and even if God did exist know what God would want. I say "I don't know" because I am not a liar. Most religions on the planet are a lie at their core and anything based on a lie can only divide.. never unite. Evidence of this can be seen in this country and around the planet. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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04-27-2005, 09:37 PM
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Reproduction is important to species striving to survive; humans don't strive. Our population grows larger, our lifespans grow longer, and we consume/waste like it's no big deal. Other animals on this planet simply survive. Humans--we live luxurious, decadent lives. So who gives half a stinkin' shit if some gay couple is trying to get married. You ought to be happy for them. \"Are we justified in using articles, no matter how convenient it may be for us to use them, that we know were produced in conditions which bored and even stultified the human beings who had to make them?\" -John Seymour | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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04-28-2005, 01:05 PM
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Now, I can in fact know that God exists and what he wants... I believe in the Bible and it tells me what he expects of me... it gives me proof of who and what God is. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean that I can't. It doesn't mean that I'm lying to myself because I know who God is. I would like to thank onlyoneplanet for simply stating what he believes instead of calling me a liar. At least he recognizes that people have different beliefs... just because I believe something different from you doesn't mean that I'm wrong and you're right. -Ali </liberalism> | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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04-28-2005, 06:31 PM
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Don't liars go to hell acording to your religion? It is not a belief that no human can know if God exists. If God does exist don't you think God would value honesty? The bible was composed by HUMANS, not God, and is just as flawed as a human because of it. No human can know, as a fact, that God exists. If you say you do know you are a liar. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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04-28-2005, 06:32 PM
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04-29-2005, 11:30 AM
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How is it a belief of my religion that no human can know if God exists? um... I think you are mistaken... I believe God exists because I have faith. You believe things are true and real because you have faith. So... just because someone may believe differently from you doesn't make you wrong. Just like, just because I believe and know that God is real, and you disagree, doesn't make me wrong. That's conpletely ignorant to think that people must all believe one thing and there's only one answer... Oh... and yes the Bible was composed by humans who were inspired by God... God told them what to write and what he wanted in his book, and they wrote it. There is room for differences, because the viewpoints are different (such as the 4 Gospels) but the main events and important aspects are all the same. The messages are all the same. The history is all the same. Just because humans wrote it doesn't make it false. I know God exists. I am not a liar. You're lying to yourself if you think that your answer and view is the only true one. -Ali </liberalism> | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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04-29-2005, 01:46 PM
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| I don't get you hevusa... stop criticizing religion in general... Who cares what people believe. Once again people have the RIGHT to believe what they wish... there could be no freedom w/o the freedom of beliefs. I believe the freedom of religion is in the 1st Amendment. If you are gonna argue that it says freedom "from" religion just as you are distorting the second amendment... thats just plain wrong. I don't get it... you call others bigots, yet.. you fulfill 3 of the 4 parts of the definition. Bigot (n.) One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. Tell me how your Anti-religion speeches prove against your bigotry? \"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protestor to burn the flag. Father Dennis Edward O\'Brien | |||||||||||||||||||||
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04-29-2005, 06:44 PM
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Believe in the toothfairy for all I care. Where I draw the line is saying that the toothfairy exists is a fact. BTW- I know, for a fact, that the toothfairy wants you to abort all of your teeth! So hand them over.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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04-29-2005, 09:05 PM
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  | What started out as a debate about the new Pope has broken into a debate on religion. Let me start with the first and add some to the latter. Yes the new Pope is Germany in ancestry. Yes he was a member of the Nazi Youth Group, as were all good German Children, and yes he was drafted into the Army. But he did desert, and continue his journeys becoming a man of the cloth. I see the original post relied to much on the Old York Times. It was the media that decided to attack this man's past. Once and for all for all the liberals out there, if a conservatives past matters, then we must hold the same accountablility to liberals. As a conservative if need be I will stand up and say yes the Pope was and is a Nazi, but to do so the liberals need to stand up and proclaim that Senator Byrd was and is a racist. Do you need me to stand up and say that when it came to the Vietnam War, President Bush was a coward who shirked his duty, I will, but at the same time you better stand up and proclaim that Senator Kerry was a traitor to his men and his country. This holding of conservatives to one standard and granting free passes to liberals must stop. As far as religion, well Marx did call it the opiate of the masses. But he had a reason, in order for socialism or communism to succeed, the government must get religion. Anything that threatens the power of those in charge is a danger, hence all religion must go. The same is true even today, why do you think the secularist try so hard to remove all aspects of religion from our country. The Soviet Union tried to abolish religion, but looked what happened, the were defeated by the Bubuska Brigade. Little old ladies who taught their children and grandchildren about the Bible and God. And yes early settlers went out to convert native people to Christianity. But today the answer is multiculturalism, that says we must not judge other cultures through our own eyes, instead we must judge them by their own. Well practice what you preach, don't judge our earliest ancestors by what we consider to be correct, but instead judge them through their own eyes and understand. If fail in this then you are truly a hypocrite. dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | |||||||||||||||||||||
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04-29-2005, 09:17 PM
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Religion is not fact. And to inject it onto a constituent who doesn't want it is unconstitutional. I want God off my money and out of my government. But not out of the lives of those who want it. That is meant for church and within the heart of those who believe. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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