The Obama Thread

[OhDear]

Originally Posted by jaaaman

Are you aware that Obama's middle name is Mohammed? Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get? Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!


I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers.

Now who is the racist here Jaaman? OMG, his name! Yikes!!! His name!!!! He must be a Muslim. (so what if he is?) And if a Muslim, a terrorist!!! That's it isn't it?

Oh no, he has a loyalty to Africa!!!

Whatever happened to you in Sunday School? Didn't you hear that God loved the world? Why should you not want to support a presidential candidate that may well do the same?


OhDear

[AlicornsPrayer]

Originally Posted by jaaaman

If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!! Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing.
Are you aware that Obama's middle name is Mohammed? Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get? Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!


I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers.

ROTFLMAOL!!! Talk about exaggeration about Obama's church...

Hate to tell you this hon...But they do have white members in their church...In fact one of their regulars, who's also an ordained Trinity pastor and female? Her and her family drive several miles to attend the services there...AND she talks about the church's mixed racial membership in 2 of the 3 videos on the 'about us' page...

Yes, their church promotes African American racial pride...But they do not promote segration/division.

And yes, one of their ministers have spoken kindly about Farahkan...But his own personal likes/dislikes doesn't speak for/represent Obama's feeligns on itty bit.

And Obama isn't responsible for the name his parents gave him, anymore then he's responsible for their having created him in the first place...

Also, Obama didn't have a 'Muslim upbringing'. He actually had a non-religious upbringing. His father was athiest, his step-father agnostic, and his mother spiritual but not fond of any organized religion.

Yes, for a short period of his childhood, he lived in a Muslim country...Only for 6 years of his childhood though. The majority of his childhood years spent here in the US with his mother and grandparents instead. While living in Indonesia he attended public schools, as well as a Catholic private school during his early school age. So trying to say that somehow makes him 'Muslim'? You'd have a better chance saying he was Catholic instead...It would be more credible.

I've went through their whole site, from top to bottom...And the claims yourself and one other person who posted the same falsehoods just didn't stand up to the hate-mongering and exaggerations you two tried to put forth about the church or Obama...

Sorry darling...But if you want to dissuade people from voting for Obama? Try using more honest arguments instead of trying to fuel people's fears instead of their minds and rational thinking capabilities.

[jaaaman]

In 1991, when Obama joined the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, he pledged allegiance to something called the Black Value System, which is a code of non-Biblical ethics written by blacks, for blacks.

It encourages blacks to group together and separate from the larger American society by pooling their money, patronizing black-only businesses and backing black leaders. Such racial separatism is strangely at odds with the media's portrayal of Obama as a uniter who reaches across races.

The code also warns blacks to avoid the white "entrapment of black middle-classness," suggesting that settling for that kind of "competitive" success will rob blacks of their African identity and keep them "captive" to white culture.

In short, Obama's "unashamedly black" church preaches the politics of black nationalism. And its dashiki-wearing preacher -- who married Obama and his wife and now acts as his personal spiritual adviser -- is militantly Afrocentric. "We are an African people," the Rev. Jeremiah Wright reminds his flock, "and remain true to our native land, the mother continent."

If a President Obama's foreign and domestic policies are anything like the Afrocentric doctrine he's pledged to uphold, Americans will pay a hefty price, including those among the growing black middle class.

Obama's Church: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

[AlicornsPrayer]

Originally Posted by jaaaman

In 1991, when Obama joined the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, he pledged allegiance to something called the Black Value System, which is a code of non-Biblical ethics written by blacks, for blacks.

It encourages blacks to group together and separate from the larger American society by pooling their money, patronizing black-only businesses and backing black leaders. Such racial separatism is strangely at odds with the media's portrayal of Obama as a uniter who reaches across races.

The code also warns blacks to avoid the white "entrapment of black middle-classness," suggesting that settling for that kind of "competitive" success will rob blacks of their African identity and keep them "captive" to white culture.

In short, Obama's "unashamedly black" church preaches the politics of black nationalism. And its dashiki-wearing preacher -- who married Obama and his wife and now acts as his personal spiritual adviser -- is militantly Afrocentric. "We are an African people," the Rev. Jeremiah Wright reminds his flock, "and remain true to our native land, the mother continent."

If a President Obama's foreign and domestic policies are anything like the Afrocentric doctrine he's pledged to uphold, Americans will pay a hefty price, including those among the growing black middle class.

Obama's Church: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

ROTFLMAOL!!! I already read that today, and here's the link to what exactly the 'Black Value System' says...

Trinity United Church of Christ

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.
Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System. His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ. Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System.
Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System – Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted. The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.
These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God. “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.
2. Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.
3. Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.
   
   Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.
   
   Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds.
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence.To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor.
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. “It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago.” Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce.
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth.
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.
   
   Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:
   1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
   2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
   3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
   4. So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.
9. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.
11. Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.
12. Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

Now, I'm going to say to you, what I said to the other little 'Obama is evil' poster that tried this little game...

When reading the FULL content of those 12 value statements, I just don't see anything racist or 'anti-Isreal', 'anti-Jew', or 'pro-Arab'...But a simple statement of the grassroots movement of civil rights that many blacks feel are still happening in America. But they're showing a plan/concept to overcome that era, through work and change within their own race for themselves. Racial pride, but not racism.


Also, because of Obama not sharing the same views as his pastor, they have both mutually agreed that it's not in Obama's best intrests for his pastor to support his running for President...Quite the opposite in fact, to what you've tried now to claim twice..

To save time and not re-post what I've already replied to you with on that subject, I'll re-direct you to my original response to you...This time though, do us both a favor and actually read both links provided in that response? Pay extra attention to the Snopes link which does away with your urban legend.

And stop with the fear mongering...It really makes you look desperate rather then informed.

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/ele...tml#post160279 (The Obama Thread)

Notice the 'About Us' link? Read it completely this time.

And pay special attention to that Snopes link as well. Because it addresses the arguments you are trying to use and that have been proven exaggeration and misleading.

[CrazyFlamingos]

Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

When reading the FULL content of those 12 value statements, I just don't see anything racist or 'anti-Isreal', 'anti-Jew', or 'pro-Arab'...But a simple statement of the grassroots movement of civil rights that many blacks feel are still happening in America. But they're showing a plan/concept to overcome that era, through work and change within their own race for themselves. Racial pride, but not racism.

OMG, it is "The Black Agenda."

[AlicornsPrayer]

Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

OMG, it is "The Black Agenda."

I personally think Jaa has his tin foil hat on too tightly.

[garysher]

Georgia goes McCain and Obama

W Virginia goes Huckabee

Watch this space

[Katczinsky]

California goes Kucinich.

Tennessee goes Ron Paul.

[garysher]

Originally Posted by Katczinsky

California goes Kucinich.

Tennessee goes Ron Paul.

Kat, wake up. Time for school!

[mikelew007]

Oh boy more Obama's a Muslim/secret " Manchurian Candidate" Muslim/racist Christian BS lol. I'd expect it from a place like Yahoo Answers but not here lol.

Originally Posted by jaaaman

If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!! Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing.

Are you aware that Obama's middle name is Mohammed? Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get? Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!


I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers.

Maybe because everything you have written has come from a BS smear E-mail. You can't believe everything that has entered your inbox.

PolitiFact | E-mail slams Obama on religion, race
FactCheck.org: Sliming Obama
(Almost an exact duplicate of what jaaaman has posted)