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Old 02-19-2008, 11:03 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Exactly, Katz. Experience can have different meaning according to one's agenda, Gary. But I'll go with mine- who has the experience to be President? Niether Obama or Clinton. Why? Because neither has served as President.It's that plain and simple to me. As is Hillary's need to stop kicking this dead dog. It's not barking; as evidenced tonight and the last 8 primaries. She needs a new script to follow.
Well the truth is, Clinton isn't even all that more experienced than Obama. The sad thing is is that all the Clinton campaign has to run on is "I'm the wife of President Clinton", and that's all they've really ran on, and that's probably where she's getting most of her votes.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well the truth is, Clinton isn't even all that more experienced than Obama. The sad thing is is that all the Clinton campaign has to run on is "I'm the wife of President Clinton", and that's all they've really ran on, and that's probably where she's getting most of her votes.
That's exactly the dead dog Clinton (and Gary) does not see. She has no more to offer than Obama, but definitely more to try to hide because of this very point.
With the loss in Hawaii; Clinton's campaign is in real trouble. Losses in 10 straight prarimaries and caucuses can't possibly be easy to explain. She is now looking for the proverbial "needle in the haystack to turn herself around. But America has shown that she can't turn herself around. So, I look for her to commence with the mudslinging and even stooping to create the mud to be slung-please note the ridiculous Sleaze Charge that suddenly appears in another thread. It's all the hope Hillary's campaign has left.

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Old 02-20-2008, 05:47 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Right now it's just a matter of choosing against the other guy. There's no way I'm voting for McCain or Clinton, so all I have left is Obama or Ron Paul if he decides to run independent. I think it's a shame that these are the best choices that we have.

But hell will freeze over and Santa Claus will move in before I vote for Hillary.
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Right now it's just a matter of choosing against the other guy. There's no way I'm voting for McCain or Clinton, so all I have left is Obama or Ron Paul if he decides to run independent. I think it's a shame that these are the best choices that we have.

But hell will freeze over and Santa Claus will move in before I vote for Hillary.
I think you and Joe are representative of millions of Americans who don't necessarily want Obama, but are determined to stop Clinton.

It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face!

The question you need to ask is not "how much do I hate Hillary?" but "How good a President will Obama be?"

It's certainly looking shaky for her right now, but if she wins Texas, Ohio and PA and persuades the party to give her the delegates from Michigan and Florida, then she could still make it. If she does I hope she picks Obama as her running mate.

If Obama wins any of those three then it looks like he's home and dry.

Old 02-20-2008, 11:23 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I think "Obama" sounds too much like "Osama." "Obama" is also a bongo-drum sounding name. The name itself should disqualify him as a viable candidate for president. This is for the same reason that "Huckabee" is too stupid sounding of a name for president. At the end of the day, these are the issues that are truly important.
Old 02-20-2008, 11:41 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I think you and Joe are representative of millions of Americans who don't necessarily want Obama, but are determined to stop Clinton.

It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face!

The question you need to ask is not "how much do I hate Hillary?" but "How good a President will Obama be?"

It's certainly looking shaky for her right now, but if she wins Texas, Ohio and PA and persuades the party to give her the delegates from Michigan and Florida, then she could still make it. If she does I hope she picks Obama as her running mate.

If Obama wins any of those three then it looks like he's home and dry.
Actually, Gary; I was thinking that Jaaman and yourself seem to be part of the society that is still having trouble with the idea of Obama being President. You are wrong about one thing, though. I have no personal problem with Hillary. I think you have been reading my critiques of her campaign so far in that light. I don't think that you understand the main point I've made: Hillary's campaign for nomination is in dire straits- no denying that- but the real points are that America has pretty much shown that they are ready for a Black President, and America is looking for a change from the politics of the past. And Hillary is seen as a connection to that past.Obama's string of victories practically screams out America's approval of him. However or whatever light you view Obama in; he must be part of the Democratic ticket no matter what. To leave him off in the face of such ovious support would signal the death of the Democratic Party.
Your question of how good a President Obama will be be is a good one. The answer simply is: Well, he can't be any worse than what we've had lately!
This is what Obama is preaching to the masses when he gives a speech. And this message is hitting home.
The other thing I like about Obama is that he is also not running on the "Republicans caused all our problems, but only Democrats (Obama) can fix them. He understands that America needs to concentrate more on getting those problems fixed; and less on the Democrat vs. GOP angle. And the next President will have to be one that can (and will) work with all; irregardless of political affiliation.
This is the attraction that I see in the Obama campaign, and it looks like a sizable portion of America is seeing this also in Obama. How else can you explain 10 straight primary/caucus victories in a row? Not small victories either; but double-digit percentages! I do agree with you about Texas and Ohio's value for Hillary: it may be her last stand. Lose these, and I'm pretty sure the superdelegates will start jumping ship.

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Old 02-20-2008, 02:10 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I think "Obama" sounds too much like "Osama." "Obama" is also a bongo-drum sounding name. The name itself should disqualify him as a viable candidate for president. This is for the same reason that "Huckabee" is too stupid sounding of a name for president. At the end of the day, these are the issues that are truly important.
If you're serious about these comments then you're just being retarded. If you're joking then you seriously need new material. It seems every single thread in this forum that has something to do with Huckabee or Obama sure enough has a little remark from PN about how their names are too different to be President. Either way, you need to stfu.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Right now it's just a matter of choosing against the other guy. There's no way I'm voting for McCain or Clinton, so all I have left is Obama or Ron Paul if he decides to run independent. I think it's a shame that these are the best choices that we have.

But hell will freeze over and Santa Claus will move in before I vote for Hillary.
And the thing is, there are so many Americans who think the same way. Heck, there are even Obama Republicans. The Democrats should be running with this like the Republicans did Reagan. If they nominate Hillary (and especially if McCain wins the Presidency), I think it's safe to say that the Democratic Party is defunct.

I don't have anything personal against Hillary, but millions of conservatives (especially Christian conservatives) do. Many of whom would stay at home and not cast a ballot for McCain unless they can do so against Hillary.

Not only that but I think the true strength in the Obama campaign is that he's able to energize the left across divisions. One of the main troubles the left has had for decades is that they can't seem to come together on anything, because the difference in opinion is vast and everyone has their issue. The right is classically divided among the Christian conservatives and wall street conservatives, but they have been able to coalesce and dominate American politics. One of the main reasons why they were able to do that was because of none other than Bill Clinton. Even if Hillary is able to win the election, we could see a re-coalescing of main street and wall street Republicans and the Democratic Party would ultimately suffer.

I feel like I'm almost speculating as much as CNN but you can't deny that the Republicans have been able to garner both cash and votes in their vast Clinton-hate machine.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:49 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I am at the point of 50-50. half says, screw it, toss Obama to the lions and the other half wonders if this may not be the saddest chapter in American presidential politics. Even though I never have heard wife wife so much as burp, her comment about never becing proud of America is a huge festering thorn in my side that won't come out. I am sick to death of the stuffed shirt politicans I have lived through since IKE. IKE and a couple others were tolerable but the rest were bags of bug droppngs. I may just close my eyes when I vote this time.
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I don't think it's a case of America being ready for a Black president. I just think that the choices up against him are so bad that he's actually the best thing going. Like I said before, I think I might end up voting for the guy if there are no other choices. And I don't like any of his "change" that he is proposing.
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