Elect Obama?? Ok now let's get serious

highway80west · 02-22-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Joe you still aren't explaining why Obama is getting so much support!

Apart from the fact he's Black, and repeats a mantra of positive sounding but empty phrases, or he's the lesser of three evils - can you summarise why he would be the right choice as President?

Three evils?

1. Barrack Obama?

2. Hillary Clinton?

3. John McCain.?

Are these the three evils you are referring to? Know anyone better than those three evils to be our next president?

garysher · 02-22-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by highway80west

Three evils?

1. Barrack Obama

2. Hillary Clinton

3. John McCain.

Are these the three evils you are referring to? Know anyone better than them?

Yes those are the three Willie - well done - glad you're keeping your finger on the pulse.

Who do you think is the best choice as next President and why?

highway80west · 02-22-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Yes those are the three Willie - well done - glad you're keeping your finger on the pulse.

Who do you think is the best choice as next President and why?

I suppose to you it doesn't matter who would be the best choice to be the next president.

garysher · 02-22-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by highway80west

I suppose to you it doesn't matter who would be the best choice to be the next president.

Course it does Willie, but I can't vote.

That's why I asked you

highway80west · 02-22-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Course it does Willie, but I can't vote.

That's why I asked you

It is a long way off, so I don't have a clue. But I figure that you would vote for Hillary, wouldn't you?

AlicornsPrayer · 02-22-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayling

Has anyone recently scene the videos where Obama clearly has plagirized his speeches?

That was my deciding vote in Hilary would be a better candidate.

Although in Canada our politics are rather dull.

Have you seen the headliner about Hillary 'plagerizing' her speeches as well then?

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Clinton faces claims of borrowed language « - Blogs from CNN.com

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February 22, 2008
Clinton faces claims of borrowed language
Posted: 02:32 PM ET

(CNN) – Hillary Clinton – whose campaign has spent the past several days pointing to instances of borrowed language in the speeches of rival Barack Obama – is being accused of lifting words from one very familiar politician: her own husband, former President Bill Clinton.

During Thursday night’s CNN Democratic debate, Clinton looked to highlight occasions when lines used by Obama have resembled those delivered by his friend and adviser, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

Clinton’s closing answer, which brought the audience to its feet, highlighted her personal struggles and the difficulties facing ordinary Americans: "You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country."

Shortly after she delivered her closing remark, a reader of Joshua Micah Marshall’s Talking Points Memo Web site noted that the line seemed to bear a resemblance to one her husband was quoted as delivering during his 1992 campaign.

"The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time," her husband was quoted as saying in an article by Anna Quindlen in the New York Times in that November of that year.

Last night, Hillary Clinton also said: “You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about.”

The Obama campaign immediately began circulating a similar comment delivered by former presidential candidate John Edwards. “What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine,” Edwards said during a December debate in Iowa.

–CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand

Seems both of them borrowed quotes from others. But seems the only one of them that decided to try slinging mud about it, really shouldn't have been casting stones themselves...Hillary should have made sure her own fan was turned off before trying to sling the bull hockey about 'using one's own words' eh?

Pot, meet kettle...

highway80west · 02-22-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

Have you seen the headliner about Hillary 'plagerizing' her speeches as well then?

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Clinton faces claims of borrowed language « - Blogs from CNN.com

Seems both of them borrowed quotes from others. But seems the only one of them that decided to try slinging mud about it, really shouldn't have been casting stones themselves...Hillary should have made sure her own fan was turned off before trying to sling the bull hockey about 'using one's own words' eh?

Pot, meet kettle...

That's why they would play a childish game of accusing each other of just about anything. It turns a lot of people off. After the conventions, then it is only a matter of (Obama) and McCain each in a political wrestling match which Vince McMahon of the WWE would love to play with.

AlicornsPrayer · 02-22-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by highway80west

That's why they would play a childish game of accusing each other of just about anything. It turns a lot of people off. After the conventions, then it is only a matter of (Obama) and McCain each in a political wrestling match which Vince McMahon of the WWE would love to play with.

It was a desperate jab by Hillary, nothing more.

I don't know one person, including myself, that doesn't quote someone else's words on occassion...So for her to try and make a big deal out of Obama using words from someone that actually is helping him to get the nomination? When she, herself, is also using quotes from those who have supported her and she admires?

It didn't make Obama look badly in my opinion...But it did make her look desperate by resorting to such tatics when she knows herself, that she's just as guilty of the same thing as she was trying to accuse of Obama of doing 'wrong'...

If it's supposedly so wrong to do, then she should have made doubly sure her own hands were clean so she didn't come off as she did...Desperate and grasping at straws for anything to paint her opponent in a bad light. As well as a liar by ommision since she obviously uses quotes herself from other's speeches.

highway80west · 02-22-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

It was a desperate jab by Hillary, nothing more.

I don't know one person, including myself, that doesn't quote someone else's words on occassion...So for her to try and make a big deal out of Obama using words from someone that actually is helping him to get the nomination? When she, herself, is also using quotes from those who have supported her and she admires?

It didn't make Obama look badly in my opinion...But it did make her look desperate by resorting to such tatics when she knows herself, that she's just as guilty of the same thing as she was trying to accuse of Obama of doing 'wrong'...

If it's supposedly so wrong to do, then she should have made doubly sure her own hands were clean so she didn't come off as she did...Desperate and grasping at straws for anything to paint her opponent in a bad light. As well as a liar by ommision since she obviously uses quotes herself from other's speeches.

Certainly the public and the delegates are wising up to her tactics.

nuttyjoe · 02-22-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Joe you still aren't explaining why Obama is getting so much support!

Apart from the fact he's Black, and repeats a mantra of positive sounding but empty phrases, or he's the lesser of three evils - can you summarise why he would be the right choice as President?

Gary, it's you that has not explained why he is getting so much;in spite of your opening comments on him in this thread! Are you saying that all this is from Black America? Accept it that White America is also supporting him; while everyone is now jumping off the Clinton sinking ship.
Sorry, but Obama is cleary and unequivically cutting into Jillary's main support bases. Again, the numbers are bearing this out. He has not won these last 10 victories by slim margins, they have been by large ones!
As far as to why; I am sure that it is because America sees her as a part of the politics of the past -which haven't been to America's liking. After the Wisconsin victory; one of the CNN correspondents commented on a call which pretty much said that the financial troubles and top management changes at such critical times in Hillary's campaign show more her "fiscal irresponsibilty".
Do not all politicians make "promises" (or empty phrases- as you called them)? Do you really believe that Hillary can end the war in Iraq in 6 months; as she claims?
Whom do you really think should be the next President-out of the available running candidates and ones that quit or didn't bother to run at all?
Whether you like him or not is your own business; as well as everyone elses. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to have noticed those last 10 victories.
To make it easier: perhaps instead of trying to explain how (or why) Obama is gathering such a following- you could explain how (or why) Hillary is losing hers! Even Bad Billy concedes that unless she can pull off huge victories in the March 4th contests; you can turn out the lights- the party's over for her. A loss here will send most,if not all; superdelegates stampeding into the Obama camp.