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Old 02-22-2008, 06:03 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I don't think so. It just that Obama is the best thing going out of what we were given. No one has ever said he was a great choice for the job, but after what the republicans have done and the aversion to Hillary, he's just all that's left. You had a Mormon, a multi divorcee, McCain as front runners. And Hillary. All Obama has to do is keep breathing.
Now I'll agree with you here on principle, FX. None of us can say with any certainty that Obama would be a great President or not. But I feel sure that America is feeling that he cannot be any worse than what we have dealt with lately. I also agree with your election prediction; as does Daniel Gergen of CNN ( a former advisor to Bill Clinton, and Democratic strategist): It's pretty much now Obama in the clear.
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:16 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Have you seen the headliner about Hillary 'plagerizing' her speeches as well then?

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Seems both of them borrowed quotes from others. But seems the only one of them that decided to try slinging mud about it, really shouldn't have been casting stones themselves...Hillary should have made sure her own fan was turned off before trying to sling the bull hockey about 'using one's own words' eh?

Pot, meet kettle...
Hillary was also roundly booed for trying to interject this into the debate. If this is any clue as to the rest of America's feeling; we really don't want to listen to mudslinging! If we did; Hillary would already have dropped out as soon as someone started talking about Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and Monica Lewinsky. I think it speaks volumes about Obama's character in that he has not tried to do so.
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Hillary was also roundly booed for trying to interject this into the debate. If this is any clue as to the rest of America's feeling; we really don't want to listen to mudslinging! If we did; Hillary would already have dropped out as soon as someone started talking about Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and Monica Lewinsky. I think it speaks volumes about Obama's character in that he has not tried to do so.
To be perfectly honest, the only 'mudslinging' I've seen Obama do is in direct response to the mud Hillary has thrown at him. And it's always been a case of 'you say I said/did this, but look here where you did/said this yourself'.
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To be perfectly honest, the only 'mudslinging' I've seen Obama do is in direct response to the mud Hillary has thrown at him. And it's always been a case of 'you say I said/did this, but look here where you did/said this yourself'.
Correct, Ali dear. And every time Hillary does this, her support sides away a little more. As I've said, the American people just want the policians to just talk about the issues, and not the personal snipes at each other. The media can and will provide that mud.
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Gary, it's you that has not explained why he is getting so much;in spite of your opening comments on him in this thread! Are you saying that all this is from Black America? Accept it that White America is also supporting him; while everyone is now jumping off the Clinton sinking ship.
Sorry, but Obama is cleary and unequivically cutting into Jillary's main support bases. Again, the numbers are bearing this out. He has not won these last 10 victories by slim margins, they have been by large ones!
As far as to why; I am sure that it is because America sees her as a part of the politics of the past -which haven't been to America's liking. After the Wisconsin victory; one of the CNN correspondents commented on a call which pretty much said that the financial troubles and top management changes at such critical times in Hillary's campaign show more her "fiscal irresponsibilty".
Do not all politicians make "promises" (or empty phrases- as you called them)? Do you really believe that Hillary can end the war in Iraq in 6 months; as she claims?
Whom do you really think should be the next President-out of the available running candidates and ones that quit or didn't bother to run at all?
Whether you like him or not is your own business; as well as everyone elses. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to have noticed those last 10 victories.
To make it easier: perhaps instead of trying to explain how (or why) Obama is gathering such a following- you could explain how (or why) Hillary is losing hers! Even Bad Billy concedes that unless she can pull off huge victories in the March 4th contests; you can turn out the lights- the party's over for her. A loss here will send most,if not all; superdelegates stampeding into the Obama camp.

Joe I can't believe it - yet again you haven't said why Obama is getting all this support!

Only that Hillary is losing hers!

Have another try - why do you think Obama is winning over so many voters? Is he more than just an anti-Hillary candidate?
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Joe I can't believe it - yet again you haven't said why Obama is getting all this support!

Only that Hillary is losing hers!

Have another try - why do you think Obama is winning over so many voters? Is he more than just an anti-Hillary candidate?
Gary, either you are asleep at the keyboard; or you are willfilly blind. I've said a few times that it is the hope of the American people that Obama can change things. None of us can say for sure if he can solve every (or even any problem; but what is for sure is that with the political process as we know it-nothing will change. People see Obama as a different sort of politician. He does not engage in mudslinging; and the "inexperience" that people refer to actually means that he has not been "captured by the system" or "blinded by the lights" in Washington! I'm pretty sure that it is this appeal that is winning over so many people.So, everytime Obama's "inexperience" gets mentioned; what goes through the minds of the voters is "well, where has this "experience" people speak of gotten America so far? And that is why Obama is clearly getting more support than any other candidate; probably more than all of them combined!
No, I don't think of Obama being viewed as just an "anti-Hillary" (great choice of words, by the way) candidate. Actually, I think he is more an "anti- status quo" candidate- one America is seeing as a politician who is supposed to carry out the will of the people, instead of the people carrying out his (or her) will. Please correct me if I'm wrong; but isn't this supposed to be how our government works? Is this any clearer to you now, Gary? This is Obama's appeal!
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Old 02-23-2008, 08:30 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I predict that Obama will win the democratic nomination and pick Hilliary as his running mate.
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I predict that Obama will win the democratic nomination and pick Hilliary as his running mate.
After listening to the debate the other night; at the end Hillary sounded like she was making an overture to Obama in just that scenario when she spoke about how "honored" she was to be on the same stage as Obama. That tells me that she will pack it in after the March 4 contests; or if she must give another loan to her campaign- whichever comes first.
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Gary, either you are asleep at the keyboard; or you are willfilly blind. I've said a few times that it is the hope of the American people that Obama can change things. None of us can say for sure if he can solve every (or even any problem; but what is for sure is that with the political process as we know it-nothing will change. People see Obama as a different sort of politician. He does not engage in mudslinging; and the "inexperience" that people refer to actually means that he has not been "captured by the system" or "blinded by the lights" in Washington! I'm pretty sure that it is this appeal that is winning over so many people.So, everytime Obama's "inexperience" gets mentioned; what goes through the minds of the voters is "well, where has this "experience" people speak of gotten America so far? And that is why Obama is clearly getting more support than any other candidate; probably more than all of them combined!
No, I don't think of Obama being viewed as just an "anti-Hillary" (great choice of words, by the way) candidate. Actually, I think he is more an "anti- status quo" candidate- one America is seeing as a politician who is supposed to carry out the will of the people, instead of the people carrying out his (or her) will. Please correct me if I'm wrong; but isn't this supposed to be how our government works? Is this any clearer to you now, Gary? This is Obama's appeal!

So Obama's appeal is a change from the status quo.

But a change to what? What SPECIFICALLY does he want to change and how does he propose to make it happen?

"Yes We Can" - yes we can what??

That's still my point about Obama. He makes plenty of breathless, inspiring speeches that nobody could disagree with, but what does it mean in reality?

I give full credit to his campaign staff and speech writers for portraying him as the "dawn of a new day" without actually saying what he stands for!

And with that theme his lack of experience is a big advantage - he doesn't yet have a closet to hold any skeletons!

BTW can you remember anything that George Bush ran on in his 2000 or 2004 campaigns?
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