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Old 02-23-2008, 01:24 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I predict that Obama will win the democratic nomination and pick Hilliary as his running mate.

If Obama wins there's no way he will pick Hillary as his running mate! He doesn't need her, she is finished.

However, if she wins the nomination she would be very smart to pick Obama and to help win the election and create a succession strategy.

If it ends up McCain v Obama then smooth talking handsome young Obama will wipe the floor with that cranky old guy.

A bit like me vs Trissie
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Old 02-23-2008, 03:35 PM   #62 (permalink)
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So Obama's appeal is a change from the status quo.

But a change to what? What SPECIFICALLY does he want to change and how does he propose to make it happen?

"Yes We Can" - yes we can what??

That's still my point about Obama. He makes plenty of breathless, inspiring speeches that nobody could disagree with, but what does it mean in reality?

I give full credit to his campaign staff and speech writers for portraying him as the "dawn of a new day" without actually saying what he stands for!

And with that theme his lack of experience is a big advantage - he doesn't yet have a closet to hold any skeletons!

BTW can you remember anything that George Bush ran on in his 2000 or 2004 campaigns?
Now you are starting to get my point. That point is that again; everytime Hillary or McCain even say the word "experience"; the American people will thinK: If you have so much experience, why is America in such the position it is in domestically, and in foreign affairs"? Those two have made the word "experience" a swear word,practically.
Obama has stated the changes he would like to make. They are not much different from what the others are saying. That's politics in America, Gary. You talk about want the people want to hear. That's how you get the attention. Why do you think that for years politicians at every level always talk about cutting or eliminating taxes? I'm positive you can think of several who make this promise!
Again; that doesn't make Obama any better than the others. You hit the nail on the head: but I would use different words. "He doesn't yet have a closet to hold skeletons"! Is this his fault? This is why I said what I did about experience.
Now look at this from this angle. We can agree that America wants a solution and an end to the war in Iraq, can't we? What do you suppose the voting public thinks now with this scenario?
Enter Mrs. Experience Hillary Clinton from stage left. "I can end the war and bring the troops home"! she shouts.
Since she originally supported this war, how does she look to the voters? Wait, it gets better here, Gary.
Now enter Mr. Experience John McCain from stage right. "We may be in Iraq for the next hundred years"! he claims.
Do you want to define experience now? Both Clinton and McCain have failed the American people, and failed miserably. The first job of a politician here is to prevent a war. When we must resort to war; the politicians have failed in their first job description: diplomacy.
So yes; while Obama may not have the "skeletons" in his closet, you can liken him to a choice in caregivers for your children. Do you choose from the two who have had a child seriously hurt in while in their care, even though they have been caregivers for many years? Or are you willing to take your chance on the new one; whom just became one? Because that is what the choice of the next President is like.
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Hillary was also roundly booed for trying to interject this into the debate. If this is any clue as to the rest of America's feeling; we really don't want to listen to mudslinging! If we did; Hillary would already have dropped out as soon as someone started talking about Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and Monica Lewinsky. I think it speaks volumes about Obama's character in that he has not tried to do so.
And Hillbillary Clinton is still mudslinging, too. Man, she must be so desperate, that I think it is starting to backfire on her. The voting public are too smart to realize that.
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I predict that Obama will win the democratic nomination and pick Hilliary as his running mate.
Yeah, in a pigsty he would.
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The Good Reverend Fred Phelps.
Grace, how did you change to PN so fast?? I thought you mentioned Jerry Falwell, er, I mean the late-Rev. Falwell earlier.
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BTW can you remember anything that George Bush ran on in his 2000 or 2004 campaigns?
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If Obama wins there's no way he will pick Hillary as his running mate! He doesn't need her, she is finished.

However, if she wins the nomination she would be very smart to pick Obama and to help win the election and create a succession strategy.

If it ends up McCain v Obama then smooth talking handsome young Obama will wipe the floor with that cranky old guy.

A bit like me vs Trissie
The marching morons, which make up the majority of the American population probably will put Obama in office. By golly, they want change! Unfortunately they have no clue as to change to what.
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A chicken in every pot?

Hillary should have used the 2008 version

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Old 02-24-2008, 06:05 PM   #69 (permalink)
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The marching morons, which make up the majority of the American population probably will put Obama in office. By golly, they want change! Unfortunately they have no clue as to change to what.

Exactly!

If Obama takes the White House the rallying call will switch from

Yes We Can

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Now what??
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Exactly!

If Obama takes the White House the rallying call will switch from

Yes We Can

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Now what??
I understand your questions concerning Obama's qualifications, Gary. You are correct to wonder what Obama wants to change to.I think everybody is wondering the same thing. But, as I've said; America is is desperately looking for a change; and hopefully a change from it's present political leadership and the course they have taken America in. It is obvious that McCain and Clinton will never change this- they don't really recognize the need for change in anything. Hillary claims to; but she is partly responsible for many of these messes by her poor judgement and choices since becoming a senator. So much for her "experience"!
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