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Old 03-17-2008, 08:38 AM   #81 (permalink)
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ROTFLMAOL!!!
Actually, from what that article showed was that nothing has changed, just who is/isn't allowed to say those things or even close to what was said in the past.
But the only change I see in electing Obama is a change in the color of the President. Not much else.

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Secondly...Hate republicans? You really need to stop trying to put words/actions onto other's shoulders. Please point to where I said anything about hating Republicans?
Check the context. I never mentioned "you". Nor was that sentence talking about "you". I said the right now people are voting for Obama because a LOT of people hate Clinton. And when the general election comes, it's gonna come down to how much people, not Alicorn, hate the republicans. "You" were not in mind when I wrote that post.

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You can't, cause I haven't. But that's your weak attempt I can safely assume at trying to say I'm a Liberal and not a Conservative?
See above. I said nothing about "you".

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Well, you're only half right...I'm not a Conservative. But I'm also not a Liberal, nor do I support one party over the other.

I'm a moderate and I vote like a moderate...
At least we can agree on that. I'm waiting to see how this pans out. But like I said, the church mission statement along with these statements again look mighty fishy for the lack of a better word. I'm back to voting for the third party. Cause there's no way I'm voting for McCain.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:40 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Thank you, Ali. Seems that Mr. Wright isn't the only unpatriotic person around. I don't pretend to measure a candidate's patriotism as qualification for office. That's because I believe the media can twist anything into anything. But as I've said I do believe Americans can measure the money (and lack of it) in their pockets. I believe they see a problem that a few days ago, the Fed has to bail out one of the largest investment banks on the planet: Bear Stearns. I believe Americans will combine this; along with the cost of our misadventure in Iraq, and seek to place blame for this. And that blame won't be with Jeremiah Wright.
What he said was nothing short of disgusting; but again: it is going to be just a little hard to dwell on him when you just paid $75.00 to fill your gas tank in order to come back home to find a foreclosure notice on your door. And you have a small problem trying to negotiate a repayment plan because you just lost your job also! Try telling the bank or mortgage company that it's all Reverend Wright's fault. See just how far that gets you!
The way Wright said it was harsh...But what gets me is that what he said wasn't unusual or hasn't been said by voters themselves on both sides of the political divide.

One of the main reasons our citizens have been calling for the withdrawel of our troops from Iraq, is because many feel that why we're there is wrong.

Even though I wouldn't word it in the manner Wright did, I happen to be one of those that actually agrees with his message that we got ourselves into this mess in the first place in regards to 9-11. Not completely, but we do share a great deal of the blame for what happened.

We've simply stuck our noses in one too many times into the businesses of other countries and eventually, no matter how unlikely we tried to convince ourselves that nobody would dare attack us in our own yard...It happened.

Nosiness and ego had alot to contribute to things...As well as blindly ignoring the possibility of a home-front attack of such a magnitude. They proved us wrong.

I'm not anti-American for those views...I'm proud to be American. Just don't expect me to be proud of everything we have or may do, and not vocalize my disagreement with it however strongly I want to...

And like I have the right to exercise my right to do just that...That's exactly what Wright did in a more bold way and it was like a slap to wake up for some. And those not wanting to wake up from the fantasy of us being a perfect nation, are whining now that he woke up others who agreed.

What's funny is when this came out, on another site there was a thread started weeks ago about 'Lack of God' and it's all about 'God' not being in America anymore and being abandoned by the American People? It's pretty much a watered down version of Wright's words.

Not one single person has told those posting to it and agreeing with it, as anti-American. If Wright had been the originator of that post though? Oh boy, I can only imagine how hostile that thread would be. LOL!

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Old 03-17-2008, 08:59 AM   #83 (permalink)
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But the only change I see in electing Obama is a change in the color of the President. Not much else.
And as I've told you previously, that you seem to be conviently forgetting when it suits you, I'm not voting for any of them cause I don't think any of the canidates are what we need right now, or that they'd be able/willing to do half of what they say they will..

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Check the context. I never mentioned "you". Nor was that sentence talking about "you".
So you didn't end your post with this question TO me?
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Do you hate the republicans enough to vote for Obama?
Sorry there FX...But that deffinately reads that you are asking ME if I hate republicans enough to vote for Obama...Not that you are using a 'general you' context at all.

If that was your intention, then you better find a way to make that clearer. Instead, it looks as if you're just trying to take back what you asked me instead cause you don't like my answer of NO.

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I said the right now people are voting for Obama because a LOT of people hate Clinton. And when the general election comes, it's gonna come down to how much people, not Alicorn, hate the republicans. "You" were not in mind when I wrote that post.

See above. I said nothing about "you".
No, you asked that question of me from how it reads...And what you wrote in the sentence I just requoted of yours, gives no hint of you're wondering if other people would be voting for Obama cause they hated republicans...Only from me specifically.

Like I said, if your intent was otherwise, then you chose your words poorly and didn't clearly post that intention. What you did post reads aimed at me specifically. And I answered it as it was presented.

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At least we can agree on that. I'm waiting to see how this pans out. But like I said, the church mission statement along with these statements again look mighty fishy for the lack of a better word. I'm back to voting for the third party. Cause there's no way I'm voting for McCain.
Well good for you. But you've already told me previously you were tossing between not voting or voting 3rd party...Unlike how you seem to keep forgetting my telling you of my intentions when it comes to voting for a president, I didn't forget.

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Old 03-17-2008, 09:13 AM   #84 (permalink)
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So you didn't end your post with this question TO me?king ME if I hate republicans enough to vote for Obama...Not that you are using a 'general you' context at all.
Nope wasn't talking about you. The sentence before the question said that this is another Obama/Clinton situation. The you in the question was referring to anyone who is choosing between Obama and the republicans. Sorry. Nowhere else in that post did I refer to "you", Alicorn.

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But IMHO, with this revelation and the hammering that it's gonna get in the coming weeks, there's not enough black folk to pull him through in the general election. It's gonna be a another Clinton/Obama situation. Do you hate the republicans enough to vote for Obama?
I guess you could make that mistake. But when I told you it was a mistake in context, I don't see why you still insist I'm talking to you.

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Old 03-17-2008, 09:20 AM   #85 (permalink)
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Nope wasn't talking about you. The sentence before the question said that this is another Obama/Clinton situation. The you in the question was referring to anyone who is choosing between Obama and the republicans. Sorry. Nowhere else in that post did I refer to "you", Alicorn.

The Clinton/Obama portion prior to your useage of 'You' doesn't even add to what you're trying to claim in this post FX...

In that post, your last sentence still reads directed at me specifically about whether I'd vote for Obama because I hate republicans...

And I also haven't said anything about anywhere else in your response I was replying to, as reading to me specifically...Just that last sentence. I'm sure you want to imagine I'm thinking the whole post was directed at me because of my including your full response...

But my answer is clear that I was responding directly to the comment about hating Republicans. Hence the 'Secondly. Hate Republicans?'...Very clear to exactly what part you directed at me and I was responding to.

I specifically replied to your LAST SENTENCE...Which even included into the rest of the post prior to it, still reads that last sentence asking me if I hated republicans enough to vote for Obama.

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Old 03-17-2008, 09:26 AM   #86 (permalink)
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The Clinton/Obama portion prior to your useage of 'You' doesn't even add to what you're trying to claim in this post FX...

In that post, your last sentence still reads directed at me specifically about whether I'd vote for Obama because I hate republicans...

And I also haven't said anything about anywhere else in your response I was replying to, as reading to me specifically...

I specifically replied to your LAST SENTENCE...Which even included into the rest of the post prior to it, still reads that last sentence asking me if I hated republicans enough to vote for Obama.
No it doesn't. The you is referring to the same people who hate Clinton enough to vote for Obama. That is something I have said several times regarding Obama's popularity. People aren't voting FOR Obama, they are voting AGAINST Clinton. There is no reason a former first lady of a insanely popular president shouldn't be a shoo in. And that is what I meant. People won't be voting FOR him, rather than AGAINST republicans. Anyone that has read any of my previous posts on this subject would know that's what I meant. None of my post referred to "you". Nor did the last sentence.

Considering none of the rest of my post indicted you on being a republican either, your indignance was out of context as well. You could have just answered the question with a yes or no if that's all you wanted. Seems you are just trying to start crap....Again.

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Old 03-17-2008, 09:31 AM   #87 (permalink)
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No it doesn't. The you is referring to the same people who hate Clinton enough to vote for Obama. That is something I have said several times regarding Obama's popularity. People aren't voting FOR Obama, they are voting AGAINST Clinton. There is no reason a former first lady of a insanely popular president shouldn't be a shoo in. And that is what I meant. People won't be voting FOR him, rather than AGAINST republicans. Anyone that has read any of my previous posts on this subject would know that's what I meant. None of my post referred to "you". Nor did the last sentence.
Then you need to go fix what you did say, to better reflect the 'you' to be general and not appearing as if it's being said directly towards me...

The fault of it's appearance isn't mine, but yours. As I said, if that was your intention, then you did a very poor job in conveying that message to ME as well to anyone else that read it.

Cause at it reads at this time, that last sentence still reads directed towards me specifically. And as such, that's how I responded to that last sentence. You didn't want that response, then you should have choosen your words more carefully when writing it so no person reading it would take it as you specifically directing it at them.

This is a case of what you intended to say in that last sentence, you did not say in that last sentence...Kapish?

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Not really. For it to read the way you are implying, there would need to be something else that implies you hate republicans. There isn't. Even IF it did read the way you are claiming, it's really just a yes or no answer. Not really warranting all this.

No need to fix the post. It's been clarified already by now to anyone who cares to read.
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Well, hello; Ty! Where have you been for so long? Everything going okay?This thread seems to be a good one. Everyone has their own opinion; but ultimately we'll have to wait and see what the Democratic picture turns out to be before this thread topic is decided.
Hey Joe, how goes it? I've been waiting to get a bone-fusion done on two vertabrae in my lower back and I'm pretty doped up most of the time. I don't really have the mental fortitude to be in here right now. I can't see posting and not being in full grasp of my facilties. Thanks for asking though. I'm definitely hang in there though.
As for the subject at hand, I have to agree with you. Obama is going to be our next President.
As for McCain, he's part of the problem and does things like going into Iraq, in a surprise visit, having the protection of a large number of troops and apache heliocopters, then has he balls to say it now safe in Iraq.
Then he dosn't even bother to vote on the bill concerning the escalation of troops. (and he was the only one, out of both parties, mind you). To me he is just a 'say what everyone whats to hear, Republican yes man'. The economy is screwed because of the Reptilicians policies. The whole bunch of them are Sad-sacks that care only about their bank accounts.
The only ones who will vote Republican are those too thick to vote out of their party, those still brainwashed about all the 'big threats' in the world, and the ultra-rich who are afraid of losing their big goverment pay-offs each year.
Anyway, I hope you are doing well.
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And you have a small problem trying to negotiate a repayment plan because you just lost your job also! Try telling the bank or mortgage company that it's all Reverend Wright's fault. See just how far that gets you!
Can any President fix the current economic problems? Most of which are caused by the American people just as much as politicians or big banks.

For decades Americans have refused to drive smaller more economical vehicles like their counterparts in the rest of the industrialised world. Had they bitten the bullet in the 1970's the problem wouldn't be as bad.

And nobody was forced to take on a mortgage with an escalating interest rate.
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