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Old 05-09-2008, 03:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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If Obama wins the nomination he will have to offer the VP slot to Hillary.

After all if he can't reach across to a woman who has won almost 50% of the Democratic primary vote, and all the biggest states, what hope is there he can reach across and work with Republicans?
I'm not so sure about that. I think all this "If Clinton doesn't win the nomination; I will not vote for Obama" (and vice-versa) among some Democrats is mostly sour grapes.
I also think that while Hillary's numbers look good in certain areas and states; she will never be able to overcome that "Clinton-hate" group. I think Obama could choose Bill Richardson, John Edwards, or Dennis Kucinich; and do just as well- if not better.
Do not forget; with years of an unpopular ( and very expensive) ongoing war, out- of- control inflation, high unemployment, a housing crisis where maybe 20% of current mortgages are in default that this upcoming general election will be almost impossible for the Dems to lose- no matter whom the nominee and/or the VP choice.
Poor McCain is going to have to do a little more than keep telling us about how friendly he was with Ronald Reagan, his military service record, and try to scare White America with Jeremiah Wright. None of this stuff means a darn thing the next time you go to the gas station or grocery store! He will have an easier time swimming across the Pacific Ocean.
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not so sure about that. I think all this "If Clinton doesn't win the nomination; I will not vote for Obama" (and vice-versa) among some Democrats is mostly sour grapes.
I also think that while Hillary's numbers look good in certain areas and states; she will never be able to overcome that "Clinton-hate" group. I think Obama could choose Bill Richardson, John Edwards, or Dennis Kucinich; and do just as well- if not better.
I think you are over-stating this supposed antipathy towards Hillary.

She has won millions of votes from Democrats across America and has comfortably carried all of the larger states - hardly a sign of "Clinton-hate"!

Even now she is very close to Obama. And if the FL and MI votes are included she is ahead.

So where is all this "hate"?

Also the three names you mentioned had support in the primaries which ranged from poor to dismal. None of them came close to winning a single state. Why choose any of them over Hillary?

The Dems need to field their best team. A joint ticket would avoid any accusations of party infighting.

When it comes down to election day and voters are given the choice of McCain or Hillary/Obama, democrats are not going to choose Bush Lite and condemn themselves to more of the same.



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Old 05-09-2008, 06:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 05-10-2008, 11:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I think you are over-stating this supposed antipathy towards Hillary.

She has won millions of votes from Democrats across America and has comfortably carried all of the larger states - hardly a sign of "Clinton-hate"!

Even now she is very close to Obama. And if the FL and MI votes are included she is ahead.

So where is all this "hate"?

Also the three names you mentioned had support in the primaries which ranged from poor to dismal. None of them came close to winning a single state. Why choose any of them over Hillary?

The Dems need to field their best team. A joint ticket would avoid any accusations of party infighting.

When it comes down to election day and voters are given the choice of McCain or Hillary/Obama, democrats are not going to choose Bush Lite and condemn themselves to more of the same.

If not "Clinton-hate"; how would you explain that Obama has dominated her in a certain voting bloc: the college-educated crowd? Is this because they see through Hillary? Why is Hillary herself practically begging John Edwards not to endorse Obama? (he hasn't yet, but it won't last much longer).
Also, as of the writing of this post; Obama has now surpassed Hillary's superdelegate lead. Many of her most ardent supporters are openly defecting. It looks like the little Dutch boy has pulled his fingers from the dike and the flood is starting!
I originally did support the joint ticket between Obama/Clinton. That was before the last poll showing the percentage of Hillary's negatives. I don't think Obama would care to saddle himself with this load.
I think it will be most interesting to see how Hillary carries herself in these last few weeks. I'm actually surprised that she hasn't offered a million dollar reward to anybody who can bring out Jeremiah Wright!
As far as Florida and Michigan are concerned, those horses have left the barn. If they wanted Hillary so much, why couldn't they hold their primaries as scheduled? Why was it necessary to move them up?
But I agree that the delegates must be seated. But I think they are going to have to do a 50/50 or a 60/40 split in awarding them to Clinton or Obama. Either way, Obama will still come out ahead; and D-Day is fast approaching for Hillary.
Right now, her continued reluctance was referred to recently as a "scorched-earth policy". This is what is going to really open up the floodgates of superdelegates for Obama. She is wasting valuable Democratic time that could be used in campaigning against McCain.

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