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06-13-2008, 10:26 AM
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Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil!-- Golda Meir Golda Meir - Wikiquote Golda Meir Quotes
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06-13-2008, 10:33 AM
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Points: 50,781, Level: 100 | Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed | | There are a lot of Biblical verses that make me wonder how Christians can claim that their god is a perfect, loving god. Here are just a couple of them:
Deuteronomy 2:34: ‘We took all his cities at that time, and we utterly destroyed the men, women, and little ones of every city; we left none remaining.’
Leviticus 31:17: The Hebrews were instructed to kill every man, woman, and child, except for the virgin girls. Those they were allowed to keep to rape whenever they pleased. In the Bible god used the phrase, ‘you may keep them as wives’ but they were taken against their will after their parents were slaughtered. If that’s what god intended marriage to be I want no part of it.
Additionally, these verses also illustrate great hypocrisy on the part of god and his children.
What happened to the Commandment “Thou shall not kill.” Does that only apply to those that share your religious faith?
In looking at god’s instructions to the Hebrews in Biblical times, it seems that not a single Commandment was intended to apply to anyone other than the Hebrews. They were instructed to steal from the Egyptians when fleeing Egypt after the Passover. They were instructed to slaughter and completely destroy all evidence of the neighboring nations and their religions. Is god so insecure that he has to kill everyone who doesn’t believe in him? I just don’t get it. How can anyone claim that this is the only true god? | |
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06-13-2008, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos  [When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom ... was finally passed, ... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821 | This is not in contradiction to what I said... the government did not desire to be affiliated with a denomination of the Christian faith nor show bias towards Jewish that held the same Judeo Christian values. Take a look at this History of Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again, every citizen was either a Christian or a Jew in that era of religion in America. The very basis of the Bill of Rights came from religious philosophers. The Governor of NC a decade earlier than the constitution started the ball rolling for France's Rights of Man and the philosophy that ended up in our constitution. You must remember that the original US constitution was not ratified, it was only ratified after the Bill of Rights was added. You can look at the Federalist Papers all you want but it was the Anti Federalist that created the Bill of Rights, a work of religious philosophers. | |
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06-13-2008, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Zack This is not in contradiction to what I said... the government did not desire to be affiliated with a denomination of the Christian faith nor show bias towards Jewish that held the same Judeo Christian values. Take a look at this History of Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | So in your mind the " Mahometan and the Hindoo" are Christian or Jewish denominations? | |
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06-13-2008, 11:20 AM
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06-13-2008, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman America should reestablish itself as a totally "Judeo-Christian Nation" and kick out all others. That way we will be bonded by the original thinking of the founding fathers and won't have all this sniveling over what is offensive to what religion. The reason our culture is eroding is because we don't have a clear defiintion of what that culture is. We can't continue accepting people of weird religions and cave in to their demands that their religions be respected. A melting pot does not equal a tossed salad. Next thing you know American small towns will have minarets with ragheads screaming from them 5 times a day. Also, you'll have to make provisions for slaughtering goats and chickens for the cupcakes that are in to that shit. | Daum PN, sometimes you kick out some real knowledge. That post was hot.
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06-13-2008, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fxashun Daum PN, sometimes you kick out some real knowledge. That post was hot. | People who possess extreme intellect such as me, can not be expected to be funny all the time; although, being funny is more of my objective here. | |
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06-13-2008, 11:28 AM
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Points: 50,781, Level: 100 | Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed | | "Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it --
For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!
We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen. (After a pause.) "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits." The War Prayer, by Mark Twain | |
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06-13-2008, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by intangible child "Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen. (After a pause.) "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits." The War Prayer, by Mark Twain | Fuck that cut and paste horseshit! | |
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06-13-2008, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman Fuck that cut and paste horseshit! | From post #17....People who possess extreme intellect such as me, can not be expected to be funny all the time; although, being funny is more of my objective here. AFCPS  | |
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