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Old 07-17-2008, 07:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My big brother Obama
I guess all schools will equally suck in the future if big brother has any say. Dirst the messiah wants the Feds to run the healtcare industry in the US - now he wants the Feds to take over the public education system

Is there any aspect of our lives the messiah does not want the Federal government involved in?


Wednesday, July 16, 2008
Obama Promises To Nationalize Education In America

Here’s an excerpt from a speech Obama delivered to the American Federation of Teachers (read: teacher’s union):

And when our educators succeed, I won’t just talk about how great they are; I will reward them for it. Under my plan, districts will be able to give teachers who mentor, or teach in underserved areas, or take on added responsibilities, or learn new skills to serve students better, or consistently excel in the classroom, the salary increase they deserve. And whether it’s the plans AFT helped create in Cincinnati or Chicago, you’ve shown that it is possible to find new ways to increase teacher pay that are developed with teachers, not imposed on them.

First, it’s interesting that Obama would mention education in Cincinnati as though the city were some sort of education success story. Seven of the Cincinnati Public School system’s seventeen high schools have been listed as “drop out factories.”

But hey, the teacher’s union was able to squeeze more money out of the taxpayers despite that failure rate, so I guess we’re considering it a success.

Second, since when does the federal government get to dictate teacher pay? Isn’t an education a state and local issue? Do we really want the federal government to start running the schools? Do we really think there is a political leader in the world capable of crafting education policy that is right for both Los Angeles and rural North Dakota?

Bush trampled federalist principle when he instituted No Child Left Behind, but now it appears as though Obama is poised to out-and-out nationalize education.

So forget about local control, parents. Obama will be calling the shots on your kids school from Washington DC if he’s President.


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Old 07-17-2008, 11:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I guess all schools will equally suck in the future if big brother has any say. Dirst the messiah wants the Feds to run the healtcare industry in the US

1. Why do you keep calling him the messiah?

2. No, the Obama plan does allow for the creation of a national health care system, but doesn't call for the elimination of private insurance.
It's not like under an Obama administration only the feds will call the shots on health care. If you have private insurance you'll be fine lol.

So basically Obama wanting to reward good teachers with a pay raise = Total control of the American education system without any input from local and state authorities and parents.

Hyperbole much?


Oh and I love this last bit:

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So forget about local control, parents. Obama will be calling the shots on your kids school from Washington DC if he’s President.

Way to emote there Mr. Unemotional, so I take it you're a liberal now?
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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So basically Obama wanting to reward good teachers with a pay raise = Total control of the American education system without any input from local and state authorities and parents.

Hyperbole much?

Oh and I love this last bit:


Way to emote there Mr. Unemotional, so I take it you're a liberal now?
You ask Why do you keep calling him the messiah? I say because that is the way the media portrays him... just look at his upcoming trip to Iraq... the press beggars are lining up with wish lists like kids in line to see Santa Claus.

The post I made on post #1 was a cut and paste from a friend on another site but I do agree with it completely. The last sentence you quoted was from the link I think anyway.

Being frustrated that politicians in Washington DC want to run state public schools does not qualify as emotion based reasoning but logic based reasoning. It doesn't matter if it is Bush with his no child left behind or Obama desiring to manage teachers from DC both suck! Education is a local issue and the federal Dept. of Education should be closed!

I think a centralized standard should be in place for education but this could be accomplished either in Congress or each state could send a representative to DC during Summer break to work with Congress and leaders of Colleges and Universities in order to best serve the preparation of students for their future.
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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So basically Obama wanting to reward good teachers with a pay raise = Total control of the American education system without any input from local and state authorities and parents.



Way to emote there Mr. Unemotional, so I take it you're a liberal now?
See what a little education can do for a person, Rove was "right", about education!

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Isn't that what your fearless leader was lieing to U.S, about? No Child Left Behind

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Old 07-17-2008, 03:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You know, Zack, you really must stop using someone's blog to prove your point.

Someone else's opinion does nothing to prove a point.

Didn't you take debate?
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Isn't that what your fearless leader was lieing to U.S, about? No Child Left Behind
Pay attention I also said: Being frustrated that politicians in Washington DC want to run state public schools does not qualify as emotion based reasoning but logic based reasoning. It doesn't matter if it is Bush with his no child left behind or Obama desiring to manage teachers from DC both suck! Education is a local issue and the federal Dept. of Education should be closed!
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You know, Zack, you really must stop using someone's blog to prove your point.

Someone else's opinion does nothing to prove a point.

Didn't you take debate?
The blog, or blogs have equal credibility as news these days and his post was based on the quote he posted at the link.

His blog has a sounding off space as all blogs, I would think that if you disagree you could rebut there and here.
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See what a little education can do for a person, Rove was "right", about education!

“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing”---Karl Rove

Them fancy-pants book lernins be threat'nin' the GOP!
Obama is a Socialist, racist Muslim who will tax us to death and McCain is a senile warmonger who will start WW3- Failtards.

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