Defending the Truth

Oh hell, we're just getting started. After we steal the next presidential election, we're gonna burn the constitution and burn all the abortion clinics. You aint seen nuttin yet.

1. Election fraud can be proven, it is proven all the time in third world countries. Or do you think that the "elected" politicians that have been forced out of office should be reinstated since the methods used to out them were simply conjecture and speculation?

2. "Politics" is not an argument. I am glad that you shared your personal opinion, but that is not what I am looking for. Why should a rational person accept these methods of fraud detection in Ukraine and not in the US?

3. The media is profit driven and they do want to be the first with the news, but only so far as they are accurate. If the media is reporting information that they know is false, they will lose credibility, viewers, sponsors, and money. If they cared only about being first, they would skip the exit polls and declare a winner before the election so they could be the one "with the news first." I think I have it figured out.

4. You are still ignoring the other arguments, namely the mathematician.

Okay, if both sides are stealing elections what can we do to stop this problem? Or should we just lay down and let our government die? It amazes me that some (I don't necessarily mean you) will support a war to establish democracy but will do nothing to protect their own.

Where is your evidence of election fraud?

I was being sarcastic. I don't think anyone is really stealing elections in this country. There is some cheating going on and that happens in every democracy in every election, but not enough to sway an election. The recounts take care of that if they are close.

1. Is there PROOF of any election fraud in the 2000 and 2004 Presidential Elections? No, there is not.

2. Can you tell me - prove to me - that the exit polling in the Ukraine and the US is identical? Can you prove to me that the election procedures in the Ukraine and US is identical? What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that because the 1998 election in Iraq was a fraud, it's a slam dunk that the 2000 election in America was a fraud too. You're making connections that aren't there to make.

3. One name: CBS

4. Lost me on the mathematician one... sorry.

"Exit poll data - asking voters which way they voted as they leave the polls - are used around the world as excellent predictors of actual vote counts, usually accurate within a fraction of a point. Exit polls in this election seemed to match the vote tallies, as usual, except in those areas using touchscreen voting machines (like the Diebold Accuvote) or other software or modem-mediated electronic systems (like those from ES&S) with no paper trail - used by approximately one third of voters, many in swing states. 80% of all US voters [emphasis in original article] use some kind of voting machine from one of these two companies."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy,_exit_ polls

Exit polls are crap. Not everybody is asked. Those who are asked don't have to tell. Those who do tell don't have to tell the truth.

Notice a problem here?

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/...nalysis-06.pdf
http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/...he_exit_p.html - Democrats have been overstating exit polls in every election since 1990!
http://www.eriposte.com/election04/2004_results_1.htm#I

Those links provide no information to why exit polls were accurate in all places EXCEPT with diebold touchscreen voting machines.

Exit polls are used worldwide because they are known to be very accurate.

Exit polls are crap. You're NOT reading the links.

1. They do no "poll" everybody.
2. Response is optional.
3. Honesty is optional.
4. Exit polls have been shown to be inaccurate. In fact, it has been shows that Democrats have "overestimated" results in EVERY election since 1990.

It's BS.

You need to admit that George W Bush won BOTH the 2000, and the 2004 Presidential Elections.

Stop delaying your grief. Stop the denial. Get help.