Robert F. Kennedy accuses Republicans of election fraud in 2004.

Jefferson · 06-08-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thenewnoise

The argument is they were caught shredding the registration forms before adding the information to the computer.

Sure. That's what the Democrats WANT to say.

Jefferson · 06-08-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by alias

Robert Kennedy is a person who grew up wealthy with priviledge, entered politics which is mandatory for a Kennedy male, and has been treading water. He needs an issue. He's trying to make one. If Kerry would have won the presidency, do you really think he would make this an issue?????

Naive people. Very naive.

Robert Kennedy should be selling cars or flipping burgers.

Why does he sound like he is ready to start sobbing any moment? He sounds like a wimp and looks and acts like one.

Robert Kennedy is a white Jesse Jackson.

alias · 06-08-2006, 11:35 AM

Amen.

alias · 06-08-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by thenewnoise

The same could be said about the Bush family and the war on terrorism or the gay marriage amendment. I am beginning to wonder if you guys simply can't come up with a reasonable defense so you attack Kennedy. I take great joy in it though, each personal attack you guys make is further reason to believe he is simply right. If he is wrong, give me evidence that discredits his claim, it should be easy since this is not a real issue.

kennedy is the one making the charge. It is up to the accuser to present the evidence. So far, I have yet to see it.

Jefferson · 06-08-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by alias

kennedy is the one making the charge. It is up to the accuser to present the evidence. So far, I have yet to see it.

See now... here's one of the basics of the American justice system that the pansy liberals seem to have completely forgotten: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

ANYbody can make ANY accusation.

alias · 06-08-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

See now... here's one of the basics of the American justice system that the pansy liberals seem to have completely forgotten: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

ANYbody can make ANY accusation.

Don't you know conservatives are always guilty and liberals are always innocent? You really need to get some training from the thought police.

thenewnoise · 06-08-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Sure. That's what the Democrats WANT to say.

That is what he IS saying. He provides a footnote citing where he got the information. A google search for "republicans shred voter registration" also gives further documentation.

thenewnoise · 06-08-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

kennedy is the one making the charge. It is up to the accuser to present the evidence. So far, I have yet to see it.

Are you for real? He wrote a 4 page article with 208 footnotes, each of which acts as a warrant or evidence of his claim. So far your only responses are ignoring the article all together or name calling. I see absolutely no justification to claim he has presented no evidence.

thenewnoise · 06-08-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

See now... here's one of the basics of the American justice system that the pansy liberals seem to have completely forgotten: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

ANYbody can make ANY accusation.

Show me where I claimed that the republicans were guilty. I dare you. You can't do it because I never claimed that. Please take a reading comprehension class. I have said several times that Kennedy makes a powerful enough charge with enough evidence that warrants further investigation. But I will play along with your american justice system analogy because it further illustrates that you lack a basic understand of what this conversation is. This conversation is not a trial that intends to show republicans are guilty. This conversation is more like a grand jury that shows there is enough evidence to merit a trial. And since you know so much about the American legal system you already know that 1) the standard is lower for a grand jury (ie- it is not beyond a reasonable doubt) and 2) a defendant has the burden of rejoinder (ie- if you don't respond to the arguments you lose). But I guess that is why you are not a lawyer.

Further, I stated on several occasions that I believe this problem is bigger than Republicans and Democrats. Even if you don't believe Republicans did not and would not commit this fraud, you seem to think the perhaps Democrats would. Each of Kennedy's arguments is , at the very least, a potential way that someone could rig an election. If you want to ensure that Democrats don't cheat, it is in your best interest to stop name calling and start discussing solutions- that is completely separate from the question of the innocence of guilt of any particular party.

If we are going to discuss adult topics, let's do so like adults. Please look at what I am saying and if you want to discuss it I would be happy to. But I have no interest in hearing the name calling and off topic rants you continually resort to.

thenewnoise · 06-08-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Don't you know conservatives are always guilty and liberals are always innocent? You really need to get some training from the thought police.

If you chose to reread this thread you will see that I am more that willing to look at any evidence you have that suggests Democrats are guilt of election fraud. I keep saying this problem is bigger than either party. Perhaps if people realize that somethings are more important that their political affiliations, we can fix something. Why do I feel like I am banging my head against a wall?