Private Accounts?

tadpole256 · 06-12-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

Maybe I can make it clearer.

For a society to function we need to take care of all the bases. There are going to be jobs out there that are necessary for society to function smoothly but don't bring home the bacon. These people should be taken care of just the same as someone who earned a lot of money during their lifetime. These people are no more or less important than anyone else. They are no more or less lazy. A plan should be formed that takes care of everyone regardless of their status in life.

The Bush plan does not accomplish this, regardless of how much money is put back into the corporations hands.

Well first I would say that you only get out of this world what you put into it. But I do see your point, and I do believe that SOME people match the description you gave. What if there were some sort of small amount of additional money contributed by the Government for people below a certain income level?

RidinHighSpeeds · 06-12-2005, 09:05 AM

I see your point here. Basically depending on how much you put into your private account, is what you are getting back when you retire. Yes their are some people that are making minimum wage maybe because they didn't get a diploma, or whatever. These people will have a hard time when they retire because of so little going in. This proposed plan however, is a plan that will not make the system go bankrupt. Their can be other proposed plans from the left, but I am yet to hear of any. Social Security itself today, is paying out more than what it is taking in. It needs to be fixed.

hevusa · 06-12-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

What if there were some sort of small amount of additional money contributed by the Government for people below a certain income level?

That could be a good start. I just think with the amount of wealth we have in this country a plan could be formed that took care of everyone equally regardless of status and that didn't put money back into big businesses hands.

tadpole256 · 06-12-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

What if there were some sort of small amount of additional money contributed by the Government for people below a certain income level?

That could be a good start. I just think with the amount of wealth we have in this country a plan could be formed that took care of everyone equally regardless of status and that didn't put money back into big businesses hands.

The problem I have with that, is that I do not want to support laziness. Don't get me wrong, I know some people do get a a raw deal, but some people will take advantage of any opportunity to get money from the government, and they have not problem living in really shittiy conditions, so long as they do not have to work for it. There are a lot of people in this country who will do nearly anything to avoid a hard days work.

hevusa · 06-12-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by tadpole256

What if there were some sort of small amount of additional money contributed by the Government for people below a certain income level?

That could be a good start. I just think with the amount of wealth we have in this country a plan could be formed that took care of everyone equally regardless of status and that didn't put money back into big businesses hands.

The problem I have with that, is that I do not want to support laziness. Don't get me wrong, I know some people do get a a raw deal, but some people will take advantage of any opportunity to get money from the government, and they have not problem living in really shittiy conditions, so long as they do not have to work for it. There are a lot of people in this country who will do nearly anything to avoid a hard days work.

I don't understand why receiving money from the government is a bad thing after working your whole life. It isn't a sign of laziness, and it certainly isn't taking advantage.

RidinHighSpeeds · 06-13-2005, 05:43 AM

It's when the goverment pays out more than what that person has actually put in. That is whats causing the system to go bankrupt.

Private accounts is similar to that "lockbox" idea by Al Gore. Instead, you have control of your investments where you can invest in something like Agressive growth funds, or whatever else.

hevusa · 06-13-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds

It's when the goverment pays out more than what that person has actually put in. That is whats causing the system to go bankrupt.

That statement is simply illogical in juxtaposition to how much our military receives. Part of the population is going to need more than they put in to survive, we have enough to cover it and they deserve it!

What is causing us to go bankrupt is our military spending. We are starting to sound like a Russian communism when our people can't be taken care of but the military keeps expanding.

tadpole256 · 06-13-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds

It's when the goverment pays out more than what that person has actually put in. That is whats causing the system to go bankrupt.

That statement is simply illogical in juxtaposition to how much our military receives. Part of the population is going to need more than they put in to survive, we have enough to cover it and they deserve it!

What is causing us to go bankrupt is our military spending. We are starting to sound like a Russian communism when our people can't be taken care of but the military keeps expanding.

Actually a lot of the military is shrinking. We are learning to do more with less everyday. Don't get me wrong, I agree we spend too much, and we definately waste too much, but I just wanted to be clear.

tadpole256 · 06-13-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

I don't understand why receiving money from the government is a bad thing after working your whole life. It isn't a sign of laziness, and it certainly isn't taking advantage.

I do not think receiving money from the government is a bad thing after working your whole life. The problem is that a lot of people do not work their whole life. There are a lot of people who live off the government their whole life, acting as little more than baby-making machines, sucking up more and more welfare. I think these people should not be allowed to do that, and they definately should not be allowed to collect more money at the end of a life time spent doing that.

I think that Social Security can not be a garunteed safety net, if it is, it will only encourage some people to lean on it.

hevusa · 06-14-2005, 12:38 PM