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Old 08-09-2006, 04:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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No, its just that the Democratic Party on a whole is so divided on a number of issues. That's the point, they're not united. Its not like the entire party has a baseline mantra and anyone straying outside of that will be picked off. That sounds a lot more like the Republican Party. The Democrats cant stop bickering on rather pointless issues compared to other issues, and unite under the more broad and important issues of our time.
They sure dumped Lieberman for having a different opinion on the war didn't they? Your statement does not match the facts.
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No, its just that the Democratic Party on a whole is so divided on a number of issues. That's the point, they're not united. Its not like the entire party has a baseline mantra and anyone straying outside of that will be picked off. That sounds a lot more like the Republican Party. The Democrats cant stop bickering on rather pointless issues compared to other issues, and unite under the more broad and important issues of our time.
The baseline mantra of the DNC is this:
Pro-Abortion
Pro-Taxation
Pro-Welfare
Anti-War
Anti-Capital Punishment
Anti-Business


Any Democrat who steps outside that box is not going to make it into the big leagues.
Old 08-09-2006, 04:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The baseline mantra of the DNC is this:
Pro-Abortion
Pro-Taxation
Pro-Welfare
Anti-War
Anti-Capital Punishment
Anti-Business


Any Democrat who steps outside that box is not going to make it into the big leagues.
No, that's just the precieved mantra by the opponents of the Democratic Party. Ask a Democrat on each of those issues, some you'll probably get the same answers, but most of those issues I'm sure you'll get different answers by a lot of Democrats. Generally speaking Democrats are together on being pro-choice, and anti-Iraq War. But there's too much bickering over gay marriage, taxes, healthcare, and other things.

The reason why Lieberman was alienated is because he alienated himself from the Democratic Party really far. I think it had more to do with the war than anything. Like I said, the Democrats are generally together on being against Bush's wartime policies...Lieberman isn't.
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No, that's just the precieved mantra by the opponents of the Democratic Party. Ask a Democrat on each of those issues, some you'll probably get the same answers, but most of those issues I'm sure you'll get different answers by a lot of Democrats. Generally speaking Democrats are together on being pro-choice, and anti-Iraq War. But there's too much bickering over gay marriage, taxes, healthcare, and other things.

The reason why Lieberman was alienated is because he alienated himself from the Democratic Party really far. I think it had more to do with the war than anything. Like I said, the Democrats are generally together on being against Bush's wartime policies...Lieberman isn't.


Good lord, what just happened to Lieberman?

HE STEPPED OUT OF LINE ON JUST ONE POINT OF THE DEMOCRAT'S MANTRA.

BAM! He's done.



Unbelievable. Do you just like listening to yourself argue - not realizing you're getting your butt kicked every time you open your mouth?
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Good lord, what just happened to Lieberman?

HE STEPPED OUT OF LINE ON JUST ONE POINT OF THE DEMOCRAT'S MANTRA.

BAM! He's done.



Unbelievable. Do you just like listening to yourself argue - not realizing you're getting your butt kicked every time you open your mouth?
Well last time I check I wasn't opening my mouth but moving my fingers. And also last time I checked, I wasn't getting my "butt kicked". If insulting people, flaming, and spreading your unsubstantiated opinions around means "winning" a debate, then sure you win. But if we're talking proof and logic, well I'm not too sure you're excelling very well in that area, pilgrim.

And Lieberman didn't step out of line on just one point of a "Democratic mantra". He generally supports the President's policies on a number of issues. Its not so much of what Lieberman's policies are, its just that Lieberman supports the President and his policies. This is very unpopular in the Democratic Party as you could imagine. Being against the President isn't a 'mantra'. Its not like every member of the Democratic Party is given a memo of what to believe or what not to believe. If it works that way in your party then I can only send my condolences. Democrats usually tend to think for themselves and is probably why they're so divided.
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Well last time I check I wasn't opening my mouth but moving my fingers. And also last time I checked, I wasn't getting my "butt kicked". If insulting people, flaming, and spreading your unsubstantiated opinions around means "winning" a debate, then sure you win. But if we're talking proof and logic, well I'm not too sure you're excelling very well in that area, pilgrim.

And Lieberman didn't step out of line on just one point of a "Democratic mantra". He generally supports the President's policies on a number of issues. Its not so much of what Lieberman's policies are, its just that Lieberman supports the President and his policies. This is very unpopular in the Democratic Party as you could imagine. Being against the President isn't a 'mantra'. Its not like every member of the Democratic Party is given a memo of what to believe or what not to believe. If it works that way in your party then I can only send my condolences. Democrats usually tend to think for themselves and is probably why they're so divided.

Lieberman did NOT toe the DNC line. He's history.

Enough said. Case closed.

You lose. Again.
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Simply restating your argument that I countered, and proclaiming "you lose" isn't a satisfactory rebuttal. Its sad you don't see that.

Also, is this what it's all about to you? "Winning"? I'm here to defend the truth, not "win" arguements.
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When all the dust has settled, a Republican will probably win the seat.

Stupid, stupid Democrats.
Oh yeah WE the PEOPLE want more Republican crap.

1. National debt
http://www.uwsa.com/uwsa-usdebt.html

2. Unpatriotic acts
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resourc...s20031114.html

Oh yeah, the ****ing ACLU!
ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html

3. Saddam has WMDs LIES
Half of Americans Still Believe In WMDs - They Saw Them on TV
http://www.prwatch.org/node/5067

4. War for oil in Iraq!
Bush Flatly Declares No Connection Between
Saddam and al Qaeda
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/no-saddam-qaeda.htm

5. George Bush Jr. has appointed numerous felons

George Bush Jr. has appointed numerous felons and others from the Iran Contra scandal to prominent positions in his current administration.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bushcontra.htm

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Why 2005? In my opinion they died in 2000.
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No, that's just the precieved mantra by the opponents of the Democratic Party. Ask a Democrat on each of those issues, some you'll probably get the same answers, but most of those issues I'm sure you'll get different answers by a lot of Democrats. Generally speaking Democrats are together on being pro-choice, and anti-Iraq War. But there's too much bickering over gay marriage, taxes, healthcare, and other things.

The reason why Lieberman was alienated is because he alienated himself from the Democratic Party really far. I think it had more to do with the war than anything. Like I said, the Democrats are generally together on being against Bush's wartime policies...Lieberman isn't.
Since when did being for a war against terrorists started by terrrorists become a litmus test for Democrats?
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