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Old 08-30-2005, 10:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
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God that's scary. I hate Hilary so much I just can't describe it.
Why?
Shes just like those Republicans you hate that are born in to power, she rode her husbands shoulders to power, she is a dirty bitch.
She's just such an evil rotten horrid example of humanity.
I agree with her thoughts on medical care.
I don't she just wants socialized healthcare, a system that has proven to be flawed and a failure all around the world. Why would we want to bring it here? Don't get me wrong we definately need a new system, but not one that has already proven to be a failure, and of lower quality than what we have.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't believe she was going for a plan that exactly mimicked a socialist system. It certainly borrowed ideas from it.
Exactly, that was my understanding as well.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:09 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Exactly, that was my understanding as well.
Well, considering that our system causes such a large amount of people to go without health insurance (30-40 million) it seems wise to borrow some ideas in that area.

Other than this issue I'm not sure where Mrs. Clinton stands. All I know is it would be a great slap in the dubya face to have a Clinton in office again and she certainly couldn't do any worse.

I will, however, be voting for a 3rd party most likely, or anyone who represents Instant Runoff Voting.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:13 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Exactly, that was my understanding as well.
Well, considering that our system causes such a large amount of people to go without health insurance (30-40 million) it seems wise to borrow some ideas in that area.

Other than this issue I'm not sure where Mrs. Clinton stands. All I know is it would be a great slap in the dubya face to have a Clinton in office again and she certainly couldn't do any worse.

I will, however, be voting for a 3rd party most likely, or anyone who represents Instant Runoff Voting.
She can't do any worse, but not improving is not acceptable to me. She'd be as harmful to this country as Bush has been. If she winds up being the Democratic Nominee, I predict voting Republican. If she's the nominee I definately could not vote third party, because they have no real chance of winning and for me priority number one is keeping her out of office. I would sooner vote 'W' to a third term.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Exactly, that was my understanding as well.
Well, considering that our system causes such a large amount of people to go without health insurance (30-40 million) it seems wise to borrow some ideas in that area.

Other than this issue I'm not sure where Mrs. Clinton stands. All I know is it would be a great slap in the dubya face to have a Clinton in office again and she certainly couldn't do any worse.

I will, however, be voting for a 3rd party most likely, or anyone who represents Instant Runoff Voting.
She can't do any worse, but not improving is not acceptable to me. She'd be as harmful to this country as Bush has been. If she winds up being the Democratic Nominee, I predict voting Republican. If she's the nominee I definately could not vote third party, because they have no real chance of winning and for me priority number one is keeping her out of office. I would sooner vote 'W' to a third term.

You have just defined why America so desperately needs Instant Runoff Voting! People vote against canidates rather than for one.

It will be interesting to see where Mrs. Clinton stands on other issues. I don't think she has any true republican competition if she decides to win and I think she could take it.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:26 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Exactly, that was my understanding as well.
Well, considering that our system causes such a large amount of people to go without health insurance (30-40 million) it seems wise to borrow some ideas in that area.

Other than this issue I'm not sure where Mrs. Clinton stands. All I know is it would be a great slap in the dubya face to have a Clinton in office again and she certainly couldn't do any worse.

I will, however, be voting for a 3rd party most likely, or anyone who represents Instant Runoff Voting.
She can't do any worse, but not improving is not acceptable to me. She'd be as harmful to this country as Bush has been. If she winds up being the Democratic Nominee, I predict voting Republican. If she's the nominee I definately could not vote third party, because they have no real chance of winning and for me priority number one is keeping her out of office. I would sooner vote 'W' to a third term.
You have just defined why America so desperately needs Instant Runoff Voting! People vote against canidates rather than for one.

It will be interesting to see where Mrs. Clinton stands on other issues. I don't think she has any true republican competition if she decides to win and I think she could take it.
I am also a big fan of IRV, and I think it is the best alternative system I have been made aware of. I am hopeful that the Republicans will be able to muster a strong candidate, and I am also hopeful that the American people will not be dumb enough or foolish enough to let her get into office, of course the American people severely let me down in the last 4 presidential elections so...
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:16 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I am also a big fan of IRV, and I think it is the best alternative system I have been made aware of. I am hopeful that the Republicans will be able to muster a strong candidate, and I am also hopeful that the American people will not be dumb enough or foolish enough to let her get into office, of course the American people severely let me down in the last 4 presidential elections so...
I think it will be a "I told you so" vote for Clinton after 8 years of this Bush disaster. It would be interesting to open that door to women.

I doubt she will earn my vote however.
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I am also a big fan of IRV, and I think it is the best alternative system I have been made aware of. I am hopeful that the Republicans will be able to muster a strong candidate, and I am also hopeful that the American people will not be dumb enough or foolish enough to let her get into office, of course the American people severely let me down in the last 4 presidential elections so...
I think it will be a "I told you so" vote for Clinton after 8 years of this Bush disaster. It would be interesting to open that door to women.

I doubt she will earn my vote however.
I'd love to see a woman run, and if it were the right woman, I'd love to see her win. But I don't want Hillary to be the first female president. That will only lead to another hundred years of male presidency.
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Old 09-01-2005, 07:53 AM   #18 (permalink)
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There are alot of idiots in this country that would vote for her solely because of the fact that she is a woman, they at look at the possibility of getting a woman and into and they dont even think about WHICH woman they should get into office. ITS SUCKS!!
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There are alot of idiots in this country that would vote for her solely because of the fact that she is a woman, they at look at the possibility of getting a woman and into and they dont even think about WHICH woman they should get into office. ITS SUCKS!!
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Old 09-01-2005, 09:16 AM   #20 (permalink)
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There are alot of idiots in this country that would vote for her solely because of the fact that she is a woman, they at look at the possibility of getting a woman and into and they dont even think about WHICH woman they should get into office. ITS SUCKS!!
Agreed.
good thing she don't have big tits, or I might vote for her
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