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| Head of Security Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,352 Country: ![]()
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| Moderator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,612
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I guess that seems like a logical solution.. Godbless, Tadpole. “I am a Republican. I\'m loyal to the party of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt. And I believe that my party, in some ways, has strayed from those principles, particularly on the issue of fiscal discipline.” -John McCain "Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." -Jamie Raskin | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USA Posts: 83
| Roughly put, we are looking at a three-way split in politics One-third Democrat, one-third Republican and one-third 'other'. Who speaks for the one-third 'other'? Granted, these people are probably all over the political spectrum, but most of these people likely fall into a category of being politically independent-minded. I foresee the percentage of undecided voters growing in the future, as Republicans continue to ignore their conservative base and continue to slowly morph into a "Democrat-lite" political institution, and the Democrats continue to gravitate toward being the party of "freaks and geeks". Much of that growing sector of disillusioned voters will come from Christians. Statistics are often thrown around touting there are 40 million voting-age Christians in America, and that they make up the largest voting block. If a third party could round up most, or all, of these voters, pressure could be put on establishment "politics as usual". Who will speak for the 33% (and growing) of voters that do not align with one of the 'big two' political parties? I admit that personally the Libertarian party tends to go too much to the Left on social issues for me. At times I make the knee-jerk comment that it is the 'Legalize Pot Party' (and I admit this isn't a totally fair assessment). There are other parties, such as the American Party and Constitution Party, which clearly embrace traditional constitutional government as the desired state of things. There are a number of other political parties of various sizes, some only covering specific regions. None of these parties on its own has been able to make any serious threat to the establishment parties. As for me, I can no longer put politics over principal. No longer will I hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. I'll be looking for someone outside of the 'big two' to vote for who truly believes in what the Founders intended for us, their posterity. In local, state and Congressional elections, I'll just have to wait and see who runs. For president in 2004, I'm leaning towards the Constitution Party. They don't even have a candidate yet, but their platform reflects my views better than any other I've seen. The Constitution Party would be a natural home for any Christian, and the odds are good that their candidate won't be a Washington insider. We've had enough of those. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Re: Roughly put, we are looking at a three-way split in poli Quote:
That is great. Instant Runoff Voting would allow you to do this without "wasting your vote". Please support it. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USA Posts: 83
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| Head of Security Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,352 Country: ![]()
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Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand. http://www.armysailor.com http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog ------------------------------------ Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere Quixotic Journey | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The Man You Love to Hate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ketchikan, AK Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,854 Country: ![]()
| The current winner take all system does not prevent third party candidates from succeeding. What prevents them from succeeding is the narrow view of topics. Once again, if a thrid party candidate would come along whose platform appealed to the masses, they would get elected (Jesse Ventura in Minnesota). However, as long as the Green Party continues to campaign solely on the environment what chance have they to win, and if someone is willing to vote for them because they believe in that platform they should. However, if they believe that there are other issues that are just as important, then they should look to other candidates. IRV will only cause more problems to an already confusing situation. The debacle that was the Florida election in 2000 is a prime example of that. People only had to vote for one candidate and it seems as if many couldn't do that correctly. dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle (grew up around D.C.) Gender: ![]() Posts: 7,876 Country: ![]()
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What prevents third parties from competition is the strangle hold the reps and dems have over the process and media. IRV would not cause more problems it would create the chance for a better democracy since the process is much more fair than our current one. It is more fair for the voters and 3rd parties by eliminating the spolier vote syndrome allowing people to vote about what issues are important to them versus who they don't want to see in office. --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The Man You Love to Hate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ketchikan, AK Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,854 Country: ![]()
| People are entitled to a vote, one voice - one vote, this whole notion of oh I will vote for Candidate C but if he doesn't get enough votes then my votes should go to is a bunch of crock. It does not make the system better. As far as the spoiler vote goes, as long as a candidate gets on the ballot, people should have the right to vote for them. No one was complaining in 1992 when Perot took votes from Bush 41, but woe is me the outcry because Gore lost votes because of Nader or Buchanan or whoever. One voice, one vote. The system has worked for 200 plus years we don't need to change it. Again the third party candidates need to change, come up with ideas, raise money, get your name and voice out there. Everyone thought that the election finance reform would save the election cycles, now we see that all they do is protect the incumbents. Perhaps it is time we did away with all election finance. Anyone wanting to be a candidate should have access to commercials on television and radio without being charged for them, and should have access to the post office for mailings at no cost. Do away with the need for money in an election and more candidates would become viable. dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | |||||||||||||||||||||
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