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Old 02-16-2007, 07:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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From what I've read, the key to making Ethanol a viable form of vehicle fuel is in deriving it from cellulose-cornstalks and the straw of grains and grasses-rather than from corn itself.

Read an article in the January '07 issue of Scientific American for an interesting take on ethanol if you can.
Is this the article you are talking about:
Is Ethanol for the Long Haul? By: Wald, Matthew L.. Scientific American, January 2007, Vol. 296 Issue 1, p42, 8p; Ethanol could displace gasoline, but it won't pay off until we find a way to distill cornstalks, not corn. (AN 23354779)
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Old 02-16-2007, 07:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah, I suppose that would explain why there are dozens of CORN ethanol plants throughout the Midwest - and dozens more being built right now.
Actually, the article addresses the spurt in corn ethanol plant building, saying it is market driven due to the high cost of gasoline. This is according to Andy Karsner, the assistant secretary of energy for efficiency and renewable energy at the DOE.
Old 02-17-2007, 12:35 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Actually, the article addresses the spurt in corn ethanol plant building, saying it is market driven due to the high cost of gasoline. This is according to Andy Karsner, the assistant secretary of energy for efficiency and renewable energy at the DOE.
Actually, CORN is not THE best source of fuel-grade alcohol. But it's readily available, in MASS quantities.

And why not invest in renewable energy sources like corn alcohol? It sure beats the heck out of supporting terrorists.
Old 02-17-2007, 01:47 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Actually, CORN is not THE best source of fuel-grade alcohol. But it's readily available, in MASS quantities.
But even Bush acknowledged/implied the other day during his press conference that a better means of deriving ethanol is from cellulose, such as from corn stalks and other types of straw.

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And why not invest in renewable energy sources like corn alcohol? It sure beats the heck out of supporting terrorists.
The bottom line, I think, is that America really needs to become energy independent in the relatively near future.

And there are already technologies that exist TODAY that can help us get there sooner than I think many people realize.

Ever check out geothermal heating and cooling? It's one of the most promising technologies available today to conserve America's energy supply and it is surprisingly simple technology.

Read on:

Geothermal Technologies Program: Geothermal Heat Pumps
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Let's remove the blatant hypocrisy of politics from the issue for a moment:


For the last 40 years, our government has paid farmers to produce LESS corn. That policy is stupid. Corn ethanol could & should reverse that.

Burning corn alcohol is multiplied times better for the environment then burning fossil fuels. This should make environmentalists everywhere happy - even if blind partisan hacks like Tyreay have to eat crow because it's Republicans backing the measures.

Corn is not the only source of ethanol. Sugar beets, cane sugar and a whole host of other plants can be used to produce high amounts of alcohol/ethanol.

In addition, soybeans, sunflowers and a whole host of other "high oil content" crops can produce oil to be used fuel diesel vehicles. Those oils gel more quickly in cold climates, but BioDiesel works great in warm climates, and is also much better for the environment.

Throw in the current technology to produce and utilize electric vehicles - the energy for which can be harvested from the thousands of wind-generators that are being erected across the country. Millions of short-trip commuters could be driving 100% electric vehicles, with no emissions whatever.

All in all, we could easily cut by 75% our dependence on foreign oil WITHIN 5 YEARS. As a result, we could collectively "give the finger" to the terrorist regimes we buy crude oil from, and dry them up.

But there's one problem: WE DON'T WANT TO. Capitalism is driven by consumer demand. So until consumers by the millions - that means all of us - change our energy-consumption habits, drive less, and demand better, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Instead, we've got soccer moms yakking on their cell phones, thundering down the highways 75 mph in massive 10 miles per gallon SUVs. We've got insecure men, trying to overcompensate for their perceived penis problems by driving enormous SuperDuty trucks - and driving them alone.


So forget hoping the politicians are going to make it happen. They're not. Consumers are going to make it happen - but not until we pull our heads out of our butts and make changes in our personal lives.


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