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Old 03-19-2007, 10:04 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The terrorists are patient planners. The fact that there has been no attack on US soil is NOT a good criterion.

I lived in NYC during part of Guliani's administration. He is more about apprearances than actual work. For example: Everyone compliments him about getting the agressive panhandlers out of Times Square. What he did was pushed them into less affluent areas and then ignored the complaints of the citizens that lived there. I couldn't see a much worse option for our country than a person like that.

People above and beyond Giuliani's term as mayor had been working on the redevelopment of times square. He just got lucky and then proceeded to take credit for it
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:10 PM   #42 (permalink)
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So what everyone is trying to hint here in this thread is that a Republican should not be considered for Presidency in 2008 because of Bush...??
If a Republican came up with an idea to deal with the post modern world I'd be a happy camper. Unfortunatly Republicans represent a colonial ideal that died out with the British Empire.
Old 03-19-2007, 11:07 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I know Romney did good things for Mass. Being right next door to you I see him in the local news alot.
My problem is I don't agree with any candidate that thinks tax cuts, when we go a couple of million dollars futher in debt in the time it takes to write this, are the answer. This is my main complaint with most conservative ideals. I think shifting the tax burden and looking out for someone other than huge corporations and the very rich are going to be key. The national debt must be addressed and we must change directions for our economy to hold up in the future, even if this means a slight increase in taxes. We can't keep borrowing. It may even be starting to effect our ecomony now.
I definitely agree with you that the national debt needs to be addressed, but I do not agree that a slight increase in taxes is necessarily the solution. Romney never raised taxes in Massachusetts and he was able to turn around the debt into a surplus. He has also worked with insurance companies so that everyone can afford healthcare in Massachusetts. This is something that might make some conservatives itch, but it seems like he is working with reasoning to get things done the right way, not what everyone in a party supports.
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If a Republican came up with an idea to deal with the post modern world I'd be a happy camper. Unfortunatly Republicans represent a colonial ideal that died out with the British Empire.
I'm sure they were saying the same things during the Reagan years...and now we praise for what he has done which helped end the Cold War.
Old 03-20-2007, 12:18 AM   #45 (permalink)
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I'm sure they were saying the same things during the Reagan years...and now we praise for what he has done which helped end the Cold War.

Reagan was another to take credit for nothing he did and what others did. He derseves an Oscar playing a President as an actor. Ike, Kennedy desreve the credit for standing up to Stalinism and the cold war not Reagan.
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Reagan was another to take credit for nothing he did and what others did. He derseves an Oscar playing a President as an actor. Ike, Kennedy desreve the credit for standing up to Stalinism and the cold war not Reagan.

haha. hahahaha

I'm sorry, but Reagan was the one standing up to the Soviets. I was only a baby at the time, but I've watched many documentaries on Reagan. The weapons arms race is what ended the Cold War. Reagan rebuilding and strengthening our military is what made the Soviet Union collapse as they couldn't keep up in the race. Remember the Star Wars program?? Sure it sounded stupid to many, but the Soviets BELIEVED it!
Old 03-20-2007, 07:26 PM   #47 (permalink)
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haha. hahahaha

I'm sorry, but Reagan was the one standing up to the Soviets. I was only a baby at the time, but I've watched many documentaries on Reagan. The weapons arms race is what ended the Cold War. Reagan rebuilding and strengthening our military is what made the Soviet Union collapse as they couldn't keep up in the race. Remember the Star Wars program?? Sure it sounded stupid to many, but the Soviets BELIEVED it!

Ackkkk we disagree we must now duke it out....nah....I was with one of my Republican friends last night (his father was probably the most ultra right wing Republican Senator in the Texas Congress) and we always take jabs at each and have some great laughs.
Old 03-20-2007, 07:47 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I'm sure they were saying the same things during the Reagan years...and now we praise for what he has done which helped end the Cold War.
only because he's dead

he wasn't being praised so much before his funeral

death lends a certain distance to memory
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:18 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Conservatives placed Reagan in a rather unwarranted cult of personality. Sure Reagan was a great communicator, but he really proved great only at that. He's given way too much credit for the downfall of the Soviet Union. It's kind of childish and bordering on idolatry to consider the 'great conservative hero' as the sole slayer of the evil empire, because it really isn't based on facts but wishful idolatry thinking.

In terms of U.S. Presidents, past Presidents had the same and sometimes more to do with fighting the Soviet Union than Reagan. But ultimately the vast majority of the blame of the Soviet downfall is internal political strife and especially Gorbachev's political failings and economic failings (his programs disrupted the Soviet system).
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:25 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Katczinsky:

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It's kind of childish and bordering on idolatry to consider the 'great conservative hero' as the sole slayer of the evil empire, because it really isn't based on facts but wishful idolatry thinking.
I happen to be a fan of Reaganomics. . . then again, a lot of people say I'm childish and immature!

Out of all seriousness, however, Reagan did do some great things. . . and those are the things I choose to remember him for.
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