I posted an amazing quote from a speech Joe Biden made on the eve of 9/11. I encourage you all to read and comment on it on the Joe Biden thread.

Right - 4 more years of a Republican President. Why don't we all just get a gun and shoot ourselves in the head?

I feel there are two types of Republicans. The Bush Republicans and the Reagan Republicans. I, of course, would consider myself a Reagan Republican.

I feel that Romney would not kick around the ball as they are doing in Washington right now...he would actually get things done, the right way (as he has done so with many things in his lifetime)

Exactly. People like to go on about how united the Republican Party is, yet there is an increasing dichotomy between two major factions, one is rooted in the almost libertarian Goldwater conservatism (Reagan supposedly espoused that with 'small government', but whether he actually matched that rhetoric is a different debate), and the other is rooted in the Christian right which is much more socially authoritarian than the other.

If you were really a 'small government conservative', you probably wouldn't like most Republican candidates other than Ron Paul.

But this is where you lose me. Romney is the Christian right, as opposed to Goldwater conservative. So in other words, no matter how unpopular or bad it sounds, Romney is a Bush Republican. There wouldn't be much difference if we voted in Romney (except for maybe a little less blatantly neo-conservative foreign policy). Believe me.

I don't think it's asking much if we try something new, especially considering how disastrous this school of thought was in the Presidency during the Bush administration.

I saw it, and too bad not to many people really headed that.

Though I don't know much about Biden other than he's probably the only really strong orator the Democrats have on Capitol Hill. He seems to take the complaints that the Democrats aren't speaking loudly and clearly enough seriously unlike most prominent Democrats. Though that doesn't mean he'd make a good President. I'll be waiting until primary time to have him prove himself.

Sure he strongly practices his faith, and so did Jimmy Carter. Now this is where I think you are wrong...You say that Romney is of the same school of thought as Bush...Well how about on the stance of abortion?? Clearly, a lot of conservatives do not feel that Romney is conservative enough...

I believe that you are wrong to compare Bush to Romney. Romney has managed to turn Massachusetts around from the previous Democratic control that put the state in debt. Romney believes the Government spends too much right now...Hence he is stating that Bush is spending too much money. He is not fighting the Democrats right now, he is introducing the problems with America today and how he plans to fix it. That is the candidate I want. We don't need Obama who only has 2 years of experience, nor Hillary who would turn Americas innovations and growth to a dead stop while implementing a welfare state.

It's hard to know how well anybody will do as president until elected. As you said, we need to see what happens as we approach the primaries. However, right now Biden has my support.

That is very true..

But you can also look at someones experiences and accomplishments in life. Bush did not have a very good past, and he did not make such a good President. Kerry had trouble with not flip-flopping. So in 2004, sure, we were left with two bowls of shit...you just voted for which one smelt better. -
[YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgR0BvvwM4"]Lewis Black - Bowls Of Shit[/YOUTUBE]

Some of you may not have done research, and may not know of Romney's past experiences. I encourage you to do so...
Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not just saying he practices his faith, I mean he belongs to the Christian right, who incidentally believe in a very large government like this one.

What do you mean he's not conservative enough on abortion? He thinks it should be illegal, except in cases of rape and when the life of the mother is threatened.

There's a difference between appealing to the popular tides and his actual policies. Bush himself espoused the idea of fiscal responsibility, and look how well he stuck to that. What's more important in predicting Romney's behavior as President isn't his campaign slogans but his ideology, and incidentally he is big business and Christian right, in other words, the same schools of thought as Bush.

That being said I think I'd much rather have someone that has two years of experience as a Senator than someone belonging to the Christian right for another unbearable four years. And besides, Obama has had experience before being a Senator. And I'd rather have a Clinton in the White House than a handsomer version of Bush. If your country (as well as someone else's [Iraq]) goes down the crapper because of a certain ideology and those policies, you don't pick the next guy in line from the same ideology just because he says he can do better; you pick someone from a different ideology. And you don't have to go to the Democrats or even abandon your Party to find it.

If there's shit in the diaper you change it; it's only common sense.

Ronald Reagan was a self admitted traitor to the U.S.A. Why do Republicans love traitors to the U.S.A. Republicans always seem to put Ideaology before the Law of the Land and consider their leaders who do so as heroes. Sorry - not my style.