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04-15-2008, 09:24 AM
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This is technology that is ready to go right now. Concentrated solar power | Salon News
I guess this would be the deal breaker
"If we are smart, the United States can be the economic leader here. We can accelerate the deployment of a technology that may be critical to saving humanity from a ruined climate."
Time and time again we prove to be not that smart.......
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04-15-2008, 12:21 PM
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Level up: 1%, 18 Points needed | | Exactly what is holding us back from this, just the big power companies? This should be a bigger deal, where is Al Gore to explain this stuff to me when I really need him. | |
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04-15-2008, 01:06 PM
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04-15-2008, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by onthefence  This is technology that is ready to go right now. Concentrated solar power | Salon News
I guess this would be the deal breaker
"If we are smart, the United States can be the economic leader here. We can accelerate the deployment of a technology that may be critical to saving humanity from a ruined climate."
Time and time again we prove to be not that smart....... | What's really funny here is the people are too stupid to realize that solar power is in essence nuclear energy from the sun. These are the same people who think electricity is a clean form of energy without realizing that the vast majority of electricity is produced by burning coal and oil. | |
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04-15-2008, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman There's more money in coal and oil. If you're really concerned about the environment, and realistic and the world's energy needs, you would embrace nuclear power. Jackson Brown and Jane Fonda don't know everything. | I don't have a probelm with nuclear power, I got a nuclear power plant in my backyard actually. What pisses me off about that is that we don't get 1 kilowatt of power from it. There were supposed to build another one but granola eating treehuggers squashed that one.
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04-16-2008, 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman If you're really concerned about the environment, and realistic and the world's energy needs, you would embrace nuclear power. Jackson Brown and Jane Fonda don't know everything. | the economics of nuclear power simply do not add up.
they only make money if there is huge public subsidies in their building and running and disposal. financially they just dont work. the real advantage of nuclear was during the arms race of the cold war. without that incentive there is no reason to do it. | |
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04-16-2008, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hot dragon the economics of nuclear power simply do not add up.
they only make money if there is huge public subsidies in their building and running and disposal. financially they just dont work. the real advantage of nuclear was during the arms race of the cold war. without that incentive there is no reason to do it. | I totally agree. The costs of the plant and the risk of a catastrophic failure kinda make nuclear power a negatory in my book.
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"Solar thermal plants covering the equivalent of a 92-by-92-mile square grid in the Southwest could generate electricity for the entire United States."
"The technology has no obvious bottlenecks and uses mostly commodity materials -- steel, concrete and glass. The central component, a standard power system routinely used by the natural gas industry today, would create steam to turn a standard electric generator. Plants can be built rapidly -- in two to three years -- much faster than nuclear plants."
Seems to be a no brainer
with 8-10 cent cost per kilowatt hour when capacity reaches 3000MW, with projections to 6-8 cents with improvements in manufacturing and design, along with the possibility of higher temperature operation
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04-16-2008, 12:08 PM
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Points: 12,877, Level: 74 | Level up: 75%, 373 Points needed | | 3000MW may sound like a lot, but it really isn't. The average load for South Florida is about 10 times that. | |
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04-16-2008, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman 3000MW may sound like a lot, but it really isn't. The average load for South Florida is about 10 times that. | I didn't say it was a lot.
Current capacity is less than that. At that point the cost will hit 8-10 cents per kilowatt hour. It will only get lower from there.
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