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Old 10-18-2006, 07:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The only thing illogical is your own lack of understanding. Overpopulation in any species causes famine, diesease and ultimately death. Overpopulation results in less food sources for the animals, this results in them having less to eat which equates to them weighing and developing less. This ultimately leads to disease, since the animals are unhealthy because of not being nourished correctly, they become more susceptible to diseases that they might normally have fought off. Any time the risk of disease increases, so does death. Coupled with the fact that since food sources are diminishing in an area, this causes the animals to move to new areas. In doing this, the animals sometimes introduce a new predator into the mix, which now adds to thier risk of death.

Nature requires a balance, and one of the best methods of maintaining that balance is through hunting. This eliminates the threat of overpopulation while at the same time protecting the numbers that we currently have. Again of the some 5000 Buffalo in this area, only 50, 1% will be hunted.

In the past, Montana has allowed the shooting of Bison that have wandered from the protected area or removed some to slaughter to limit the size of the herd. In fact during one year I believe that some 600 Bison were killed. Yet despite this number the Bison herd size has remained relatively consistent (fluctuating between plus or minus 10%)

Here we are talking about only 1% compared to the 600 or 12%.

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Perhaps I am being illogical and not understanding. At least I am willing to look at alternative points of view, while some do not.

Nature has always been in balance, and always will be. Overpopulation occurs naturally in areas, and nature rectifies it without human intervention. It is human activities that knock nature out of balance. We fence land which once was habitat for animals. We introduce new species to an area simply by shipping stuff from one place to another (think zebra mussles in the Great Lakes). We release chemicals into the air and water that build up in all sorts of life. And some of us don't care that this is happening.

You cannot know that the 1% killed in hunting would be the same animals that are killed by overpopulation.

I believe that most animals would prefer to live their lives with no human involvement, even if that includes starving to death due to lack of food.
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Old 10-18-2006, 07:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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no doubt culling the herd is a requirement given the limited space within which these animals can roam. But if you notice that is what i was criticising. Culling is a requirement because of how man's progress has severely limited the movement.

I understand it is a requirement, but it is a requirement born of the complete lack of respect for nature that progress has.
You know, my dad says that war is man's way of culling himself. I think he has a point.
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Is this the post you suggested I read again? I suggest we "thin the herd" using bare hands only - no guns. Let it be truly survival of the fittest. You assume that animals killed by hunters are the animals that would die if the herd was left on its own. Whatever did animals do before man came along to control their populations for them???

The part about choice is interesting. It is something one of my vegetarian friends brings up: did the animal have a choice? I suggest the choices you list are too limited.
But this brings us right back to the same old problem: Overpopulation of the bison herds. Overpopulation leads to disease, starvation and death.

And no, I'm not asking the Bison. But hey, let's think about it. Starve to death, after your body is riddled with disease, or die instantly.
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But this brings us right back to the same old problem: Overpopulation of the bison herds. Overpopulation leads to disease, starvation and death.

And no, I'm not asking the Bison. But hey, let's think about it. Starve to death, after your body is riddled with disease, or die instantly.
You see it as a problem. I see it as nature in action. Let me try to stand where you are and look at it for a while to see if I can see your point of view.
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You know, my dad says that war is man's way of culling himself. I think he has a point.
yeah but i think it's quite sad that humanity still needs to be culled as if we are animals. YOu would think we would have wised up a little.. but i guess not.
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You see it as a problem. I see it as nature in action. Let me try to stand where you are and look at it for a while to see if I can see your point of view.
If you're going to stand where I'm standing - like I'm standing - you'll need to be "scratchin' where it itches" as you're standing...
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If you're going to stand where I'm standing - like I'm standing - you'll need to be "scratchin' where it itches" as you're standing...
LOL.... uh... sure!

That reminds me of something else my dad says... scratch where it itches, not where it looks good.
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LOL.... uh... sure!

That reminds me of something else my dad says... scratch where it itches, not where it looks good.
Sound advice.

Of course, any place I tend to scratch does NOT look goood anyway!
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