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Environment Debate and defend the issues our world faces on topics such as global warming, environmental pollution, and the many proposals that might help solve these problems.

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Old 06-04-2007, 12:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Check out this link. IT conclusively shows that since computer models used to prove increases in greenhouse gasses causing global warming do not include water vapor, that global warming is a HOAX.
Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers
Ummm...without trace amounts of greenhouse gases existing within earth's atmosphere, earth's average surface temperature would be between 20 and 30 degrees C. colder than it is today. And, there would be significantly less water vapor in earth's atmosphere if that much colder average surface temperature existed on earth today.

(Climate Science)

So, to conclude that global warming being caused by an increase in greenhouses gases within earth's atmosphere is a "hoax," one would have to conclude that...well...greenhouse gases do not act as greenhouse gases.
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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My problem with global warming is the 0.28% that is caused by human activity is practically non-existant.
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Cow farts cause it.

Kill more cows.
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Eat less meat!!
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There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. Conservatives are simply roadblocks on the path to an ever more progressive and liberal world. What a sad existence.
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I frequently disagree with Charley Reese (the war), but here he is right on.
No Sweat*by Charley Reese
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My problem with global warming is the 0.28% that is caused by human activity is practically non-existant.
Oh, I wouldn't put too much faith in this conclusion since I'd argue that CO2, rather than water vapor, is really the dominant greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere.

And I say this because CO2 has an estimated atmospheric lifespan within Earth's atmosphere of over 5000 times longer than water vapor.

In addition, water vapor can primarily act-depending on where it exists within Earth's atmosphere-as a positive feedback mechanism within Earth's atmosphere while CO2 primarily acts as a positive forcing mechanism everywhere within Earth's atmosphere.

(Evidently, an all too simplified analysis purely of gas concentrations in Earth's atmosphere can provide misleading conclusions concerning Earth's climate.)

And, again, if CO2 (and all other forcing greenhouse gases) did not exist within Earth's atmosphere, there would be significantly less water vapor in Earth's atmosphere to talk about.


(Regarding supposedly not including water vapor in climate models, see:

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Models 'key to climate forecasts')
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I frequently disagree with Charley Reese (the war), but here he is right on.
No Sweat*by Charley Reese
Hmmm...I wonder if Charley Reese has any worry at all about driving a late model automobile or visiting a tall office building.

I mean, after all, modern automobiles and tall buildings are designed using...ummmm..."computer models."

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My problem with global warming is the 0.28% that is caused by human activity is practically non-existant.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STANDS ON GLOBAL WARMING?
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Oh, I wouldn't put too much faith in this conclusion since I'd argue that CO2, rather than water vapor, is really the dominant greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere.

And I say this because CO2 has an estimated atmospheric lifespan within Earth's atmosphere of over 5000 times longer than water vapor.

In addition, water vapor can primarily act-depending on where it exists within Earth's atmosphere-as a positive feedback mechanism within Earth's atmosphere while CO2 primarily acts as a positive forcing mechanism everywhere within Earth's atmosphere.

(Evidently, an all too simplified analysis purely of gas concentrations in Earth's atmosphere can provide misleading conclusions concerning Earth's climate.)

And, again, if CO2 (and all other forcing greenhouse gases) did not exist within Earth's atmosphere, there would be significantly less water vapor in Earth's atmosphere to talk about.


(Regarding supposedly not including water vapor in climate models, see:

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Models 'key to climate forecasts')
So item #4 in your link seems to imply that we shoul use more aerosols to combat global warming. LOL
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Hmmm...I wonder if Charley Reese has any worry at all about driving a late model automobile or visiting a tall office building.

I mean, after all, modern automobiles and tall buildings are designed using...ummmm..."computer models."

Garbage in, garbage out.
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