You are right that Bush doesn't claim to be the epitome of all that is necessary to cure Global warming. Of course neither does Gore.. what he does is present what PEOPLE must do in order to combat glbal warming.

And the comparison with Bush IS cetainly relevant. You seek to invalidate the message in the documentary because of Gore's "hypocrisy". I merely pointed out to you that you have swallowed Bush's presentation of himself as a "glorious War president" hook, line and sinker.

the comparison is certainly warranted as Bush's hypocrisy ( sending people to die in Iraq while keeping his own ignorant ass and a vast array of other rich folks' asses safe and secure in the US - even giving them a TAX BREAK) is AS disgusting if not MORE, since HIS hypocrisy keeps him safe while putting his citizens at greater risk for every day passing. Yet you accept his statements without question ( even though he skipped everything he could in the armed forces). If anybody epitomises the "do as i say, not do as i do" comment it is BUSH.

Anyhow as i concluded in my thread, the character of the messenger is not the deciding factor as to whether the MESSAGE is valid or not. So grow up and get past Gore and his transgressions. Does the documentary display any untruths?

So once again i ask you.. If Gore was not part of the documentary, what would you have to say about the message?

I would have the EXACT same thing to say about the book/movie.

1. Global Warming is being hyped like crazy. It's not science. It's the new religion of the rich and famous.

2. EVERYONE should live as "green" as possible.

fine so it seems that you disagree with the degree of importance given to Global Warming today.. but you do not deny its existence, NOR deny the importance of dealing with it no?

You also agree that everybody should live as "green" as possible, meaning that the ultimate message in Gore's book/movie is CORRECT.

So why the crusade against the guy?

I mean so he leaves his lights on and spends more power than the "average american household". Well firstly he is not an 'average american". Your comparison would only be fair if you compared it to other hosueholds of the same size.

secondly, his "hypocrisy" is a purely subjective statement from you based on what YOU calculate to be frivolous power consumption. You cannot possibly calculate whether he spends more than he saves. His trip around in a private jet may spend lots of fuel on each trip. But how much power does his campign save the US of A? Any figures on that? Or do you honestly believe that those thousands of gallons of fuel can never be recovered. You should know BTW that air travel is the SMALLEST source of carbon emissions on the planet. So his trip is merely an H2O molecule in the Pacific.

This obsession with nitpicking on Gore's personal power consumption is incredibly childish. Of course i think it is just as childish to nitpick about Bush' service record, how many purple hearts Kerry got, whether Clinton got a blowjob in the Oval office, or any other irrelevant information.

fact is that these are all things that are used to attack PERSONALITIES. Governance should NEVER be about personalities, but about POLICIES. Good policies CAN come from "bad" people, and AWFUL policies CAN come from "good" people.

It is only a symptom of an underdeveloped political culture that people gain votes not on their skill of policy making, but on their skill at portraying themselves as the people wish to see them ( as opposed to who they really are).

You know, I just love all the excuse presented in defense of Al Gore. Here is the man who is the leading advocate and crusader against global warming, trying very hard to dictate how the average american should live. The key word in this is average, you see as Jefferson has shown, Al Gore is far from the average american.

When it comes to taxes we are so very quick to embrace a progressive system, one in which, the more you earn, the more you pay. Well where is the progressive system for global warming???

I don't care that Al Gore lives in a home that has 20 rooms and 8 bathrooms, that is irrelevant, however, the fact that he does use 20 times the power of an average american is not. There are probably some 1 million people like Al Gore in this country, multi-millionaires, living in mansions. These people alone produce the same amount of energy as 20 million other people. Well, they should be the first to reduce their usage. It is great that many of them may buy carbon offsets, they have the money to do so, whereas, many average americans do not. However, the fact remains that their usage is still contributing a greater effect on the climate than that of the average american. This fact cannot be disputed. All these great hollywood stars with their songs and speeches try to alter the lives of average americans, well the first lives they need to change are their own. Perhaps global warming would become less of a problem if these spoiled preachers would actually practice what they themselves preach. Yeah it is great that they own hybrid cars, and buy carbon offsets, however, this does not change the fact that on average they contribute more carbon dioxide than 20 average american families. Will it truly hurt them to reduce their usage by half???? Hell why not 75%, or even better, let us immediately pass legislation that will not allow them to contribute more carbon emissions than the average american. What a wonderfully progressive system.

dmk

Al Gore is to Global Warming what Ted Haggard is to Homosexuality.


...do as I say, not as I do...

This statement remains untrue. Al Gore is asking people to reduce their carbon footprint to zero. This is exactly what he is doing.

You can mention his huge energy bill, but also point out that he pays for 100% green power.

You can mention his natural gas and fuel consumption, but also mention that he uses carbon offsets.

Also mention that he's getting solar panels installed on his house, that he drives a hybrid, and that he only uses a private jet when time is short.

These are the sorts of things that Gore is asking others to do.

Now maybe you believe that carbon offsets don't actually help, and are only used for propaganda. But this is not what they claim to do, and I am still awaiting any further explanation or evidence of your claim.

As I said before, this whole "green power" thing is a myth! He gets his power from the SAME power grid as everybody else. In other words: HYPOCRITE.

And as for "carbon offsets"... You have NO IDEA what they are, or what they do. You haven't even been able to show ANYTHING about how they help the environment.

It's bogus.


So you can have your hug-fest with Al Gore if you wish. Just know that you're idolizing a guy who is living a lie.

Huh? It's not a myth. You can find out more information here:

TVA: Green Power Switch

Tennessee Valley Authority is the company which runs Green Power Switch. Green Power Switch is the program the Gores uses to fund their Green Power.

It is true that this power all comes from the same grid, but that doesn't matter: Gore's money funds the production of green power, not carbon-producing power. I have attached a diagram which illustrates this.

I explained exactly what they do and how they help the environment. Are you saying that you don't believe me? Well, you should have said that! I can link you to some sites.

This first site lists a bunch of carbon offset services and links to their websites. It should be helpful:

Carbon Emissions Offset Directory - Guide to offsetting emissions of carbon easily and at low cost!

These other links are more informational:

Carbon offset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_C...on_offsets.asp
Carbon Neutral

Do you want more links than these?

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Like I said, what Ted Haggard is to homosexuality, Al Gore is to Global Warming.

They're both screaming against it, but participating in and contributing to it.

It seems to me that Al Gore is doing exactly what he asks others to do. He has taken conscious steps to reduce his carbon emissions. He drives a hybrid, purchases green power instead of normal power, purchases carbon offsets, and is installing solar panels in his house. This all ultimately adds up to Gore reducing his "carbon footprint" to zero, which is what he asks others to do.

Besides, Gore speaks out for a good cause, while Haggard speaks out for an evil cause. That, too, says something of the character of each of these individuals.