Iran: New Power of Tommorow - Page 10

hkbajwa · 03-14-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Israel also is the victom of several rocket attacks daily. As soon as the people firing those rockets aquire any real distance and aim with them, Things are going to get really bad.

Yeah but as it IS nowadays the rocket attacks are completely inefficient. AS IT IS, Israeli attacks cost more innocent lives than the more or less impotent rocket attacks on settlements on palestinian land.

It can be very well argued that these attacks occurr on invaders, which makes it SELF DEFENSE of SOVEREIGN TERRITORY.

Anyhow it is still ridiculous to cast Israel as the victim in this situation when it is unquestionably the palestinians that pay the dearer price in terms of ruined infrastructurs and lost lives.

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Yet Irans pres tells us everyday now how Israel is soon to not exit. If you want to ignore a man that is close to getting the bomb, thats on you. I for one take people at face value and should at least be prepared for the worst.

I find it quite ironic that you REFUSE to take him at face value when he counsels negotiations and talks, but IMMEDIATELY give credence to blustering comments about wiping out a nuclear power. Honestly preacher, what's with the selective hearing?

The FACT is that no matter WHAT Iran wants to do , it will be years before it can even hope to challenge Israel in military might, and you can rest assured that Israel will ALWAYS have superior firepower to Iran. Not to mention already having a functioning nuke. No matter how much Ahmedinejad rants, the REALITY of the situation is that Iran CAN NEVER destroy Israel.

Israel is NO LONGER a weak potential victim. It is a middle eastern POWERHOUSE.

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Back to the chicken and egg thing. If there will ever be peace, one of them is going to have to lay down arms. I think it should be the side, who now refuses to even recognize Israels existance.

Why not the side that is ensuring that the people continue to live in such desperate conditions that fundo parties have an easy time recruiting people to kill themselves. How about the side that is violating UN resolution 242. How about the side that for all intents and purposes is the FOREIGN INTERLOPER ( we can discuss that Israel is a viable state with sovereign rights NOW, but the simple fact is that it is a state IMPOSED on an indigenous people). How can the onus be on the peopl eupon which the state was imposed? How about the side with the superior economy, military and resources?

Here are some facts and figures for you.. 78% of the palestinian population is willing to recognize Israel. Even if they elected Hamas, the party will be FORCED to recognize Israel by INTERNAL pressures. But that requires that they are brought to the negotiating table. However no palestinian will accede to demands placed prior to any negotiations.

Recognition of Israel is a FOREGONE CONCLUSION. It is INEVITABLE. Even Hamas will have to do it. BUt as long as they are kept at arms length you do not even afford them the opportunity to recognize Israel without seeming to capitulate. And unfortunately that is a MAJOR problem. Hamas may be able to recognize Israel, but it can NEVER present itself as capitulating. That would negate the basic premise upon which they were elected ( Not being subject to external orders).

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

The Palistinian people were told that countries couldnt, and wouldnt, support Hamas. So they went ahead and elected him anyway. If you and I were standing in front of a boiling pot of water, and I told you not to stick your hand in it, but you did it anyway, whos fault would it be when you got burned?

That is a ridiculous statement to make int he first place. Let's say that the EU decided it could not have any cooperation with the US if a republican was elected president. Would that make ONE IOTA of a difference. In fact do you consider that any other nation has a right to tell YOU as an american citizen who is acceptable and who is not?

A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION is one in which the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE is heard. The palestinian people have elected Hamas to represent them. Exactly who are you to approve or disapprove the results of a FREE and FAIR ELECTION?

It is perfectly fair to negotiate with Hamas to alter some of their policies and stances. However it is supremely hypocritical to make INTERNAL POLICIES the criteria for acceptance RATHER than democracy. Negotiate with Hamas. If the world wishes to assert the importance of democracy, then it must accept the results. I mean the REALITY is that if the world wishes to sort out anything with the marginalized palestinian people, then it MUST communicate with the chosen representatives.

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Israel, and America told PA they would be more than happy to sweep through and eliminate the terrorists in PA. The PA has refused. So while we wait for them to get there act together, more and more terrorists move into the area.

Neither Israel nor America has the ability to correctly identify terrorists, NOR is it capable of handling this problem. You have seen how terribly successful the US has been in meddling in the internal issues of other nations. I mean Iraq truly is a success of that particular policy.

Israel and the US will take action based on THEIR interests and NOT based on palestinian interest. No nation can ever allow a foreign nation to conduct armed action on their land. It would undermine the very concept of statehood.

No sovereign nation can allow another nation to enter its territory and conduct an arbitrary police action. Even the MOST PRO ISRAELI/USA palestinian could not allow that. It would be tantamount to the complete surrender of sovereignty.

Instead if the US and Israel are intersted in peace they should instead help the authorities get their act together INSTEAD of ensuring that conditions get steadily worse and in turn steadily increase the number of frustrated and desperate people that are willing to kill themselves.

We agree on the end result preacher, but we disagree on the method of achieving that result. My contention is that the solution lies in INVOLVING the democratically chosen representatives of the people. WHereas YOU contend that only the violent eradication of terror suspects as well as continuing marginalization of an entire people is the best way.

Seriously dude.. it won't work.. It will ONLY create more anger, more resentment, more frustration, more desperation and more terrorists. I mean that is the only tangible result since Barak detracted from the Oslo Accord is it not?

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Thats all Israel is asking for. And they are willing to give alot, if that were to happen. But No one can expect Israel do go ahead with the peace plan, without these exact things

You are quick to accuse Palestine of meaningless rhetoric. Yet Palestine DID recognize Israel in the Oslo Accord, however settlement expansions continued, Israel continued its lockdown of Palestinian territories, continued arbitrary incursions into palestinian territory and continued to pressure the palestinian people with sanctions, restricted movement, lockdown of commerce and complete disregard for their sovereignty.

Israel is not a spotless nation with pure and noble intentions. It is as guilty of breaking UN resolutions, unprovoked violence, EXCESSIVE violence and unjust actions. Recognition is the LEAST of the problems. All it takes is ONE ROUND of neogtiations with Hamas and Israel will be recognized. The fact that 78% of palestinians support the recognition of Israel should give you an idea. However support of recognition does NOT mean that they neccessarily would dismiss Hamas as their chosen representatives.

To demand that Hamas be dismissed OR that Hamas change its stance prior to negotiations is completely contrary to the principle of international relations.

winston53660 · 03-14-2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Israel also is the victom of several rocket attacks daily. As soon as the people firing those rockets aquire any real distance and aim with them, Things are going to get really bad."

Resolution 242
NOVEMBER 22, 1967

The Security Council,
Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,
Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,
Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:
Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
Affirms further the necessity
For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;
For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;
Requests the Secretary General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;
Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.

hkbajwa · 03-14-2007, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

What makes me any better than President Asswipe of Iran?

Well, for one thing I'm not screaming about annihilating Israel - nor am I try to build nuclear weapons to do exactly that. Does that help?

Well you instead are screaming about annihilating "terrorists" without actually understanding who they are, without being able to indentify what a "terrorist" is, without having any tangible definition of a "terrorist" other than the fact that you don't like them, without any sort of understanding against what you are counselling violence.

So you claim you are "better" based simply on the "side" on whihc you are. However you are as violently disposed as the guy you claim is "evil". May work out for you, but it is hardly an objective view, OR something that would hold up in a court of law.

Secondly, Eradication of Israel is NOT the purpose of acquiring nuclear capability.

the PRIME reason is energy. SECONDLy the reason is to gain some measure of equality with the other nuclear powers in the world ( of which the BIGGEST has termed Iran an "enemy".. Now if that isn't a reason to arm yourself then what is?)

Eleminating Israel is being PRESENTED by OTHER media as the prime incentive. The FACTS however are that EVEN IF Iran gets nuclear capability, even ahmedinejad is not crazy enough to use it against another nuclear nation NOR is he crazy enough to INITIATE nuclear conflict, knowing that it will destroy iran.

This is just another example of fear mongering to justify some sort of stupid intervention that will ultimately result in MORE deaths MORE destruction, MORE hatred and MORE atrocities... just as ALL PREVIOUS US INTERFERENCE in the world ( save WW1 and WW2, but those conflicts we of a different nature and ones in which US interference was requested and not IMPOSED).

Preacherman · 03-14-2007, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by winston53660

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Israel also is the victom of several rocket attacks daily. As soon as the people firing those rockets aquire any real distance and aim with them, Things are going to get really bad."

Resolution 242
NOVEMBER 22, 1967

The Security Council,
Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,
Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,
Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:
Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
Affirms further the necessity
For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;
For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;
Requests the Secretary General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;
Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.

Like I said, might as well just ask Israel to commit mass suicide.

Preacherman · 03-14-2007, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hkbajwa

Yeah but as it IS nowadays the rocket attacks are completely inefficient. AS IT IS, Israeli attacks cost more innocent lives than the more or less impotent rocket attacks on settlements on palestinian land.

It can be very well argued that these attacks occurr on invaders, which makes it SELF DEFENSE of SOVEREIGN TERRITORY.

Anyhow it is still ridiculous to cast Israel as the victim in this situation when it is unquestionably the palestinians that pay the dearer price in terms of ruined infrastructurs and lost lives.

I find it quite ironic that you REFUSE to take him at face value when he counsels negotiations and talks, but IMMEDIATELY give credence to blustering comments about wiping out a nuclear power. Honestly preacher, what's with the selective hearing?

The FACT is that no matter WHAT Iran wants to do , it will be years before it can even hope to challenge Israel in military might, and you can rest assured that Israel will ALWAYS have superior firepower to Iran. Not to mention already having a functioning nuke. No matter how much Ahmedinejad rants, the REALITY of the situation is that Iran CAN NEVER destroy Israel.

Israel is NO LONGER a weak potential victim. It is a middle eastern POWERHOUSE.

Why not the side that is ensuring that the people continue to live in such desperate conditions that fundo parties have an easy time recruiting people to kill themselves. How about the side that is violating UN resolution 242. How about the side that for all intents and purposes is the FOREIGN INTERLOPER ( we can discuss that Israel is a viable state with sovereign rights NOW, but the simple fact is that it is a state IMPOSED on an indigenous people). How can the onus be on the peopl eupon which the state was imposed? How about the side with the superior economy, military and resources?

Here are some facts and figures for you.. 78% of the palestinian population is willing to recognize Israel. Even if they elected Hamas, the party will be FORCED to recognize Israel by INTERNAL pressures. But that requires that they are brought to the negotiating table. However no palestinian will accede to demands placed prior to any negotiations.

Recognition of Israel is a FOREGONE CONCLUSION. It is INEVITABLE. Even Hamas will have to do it. BUt as long as they are kept at arms length you do not even afford them the opportunity to recognize Israel without seeming to capitulate. And unfortunately that is a MAJOR problem. Hamas may be able to recognize Israel, but it can NEVER present itself as capitulating. That would negate the basic premise upon which they were elected ( Not being subject to external orders).

That is a ridiculous statement to make int he first place. Let's say that the EU decided it could not have any cooperation with the US if a republican was elected president. Would that make ONE IOTA of a difference. In fact do you consider that any other nation has a right to tell YOU as an american citizen who is acceptable and who is not?

A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION is one in which the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE is heard. The palestinian people have elected Hamas to represent them. Exactly who are you to approve or disapprove the results of a FREE and FAIR ELECTION?

It is perfectly fair to negotiate with Hamas to alter some of their policies and stances. However it is supremely hypocritical to make INTERNAL POLICIES the criteria for acceptance RATHER than democracy. Negotiate with Hamas. If the world wishes to assert the importance of democracy, then it must accept the results. I mean the REALITY is that if the world wishes to sort out anything with the marginalized palestinian people, then it MUST communicate with the chosen representatives.

Neither Israel nor America has the ability to correctly identify terrorists, NOR is it capable of handling this problem. You have seen how terribly successful the US has been in meddling in the internal issues of other nations. I mean Iraq truly is a success of that particular policy.

Israel and the US will take action based on THEIR interests and NOT based on palestinian interest. No nation can ever allow a foreign nation to conduct armed action on their land. It would undermine the very concept of statehood.

No sovereign nation can allow another nation to enter its territory and conduct an arbitrary police action. Even the MOST PRO ISRAELI/USA palestinian could not allow that. It would be tantamount to the complete surrender of sovereignty.

Instead if the US and Israel are intersted in peace they should instead help the authorities get their act together INSTEAD of ensuring that conditions get steadily worse and in turn steadily increase the number of frustrated and desperate people that are willing to kill themselves.

We agree on the end result preacher, but we disagree on the method of achieving that result. My contention is that the solution lies in INVOLVING the democratically chosen representatives of the people. WHereas YOU contend that only the violent eradication of terror suspects as well as continuing marginalization of an entire people is the best way.

Seriously dude.. it won't work.. It will ONLY create more anger, more resentment, more frustration, more desperation and more terrorists. I mean that is the only tangible result since Barak detracted from the Oslo Accord is it not?

You are quick to accuse Palestine of meaningless rhetoric. Yet Palestine DID recognize Israel in the Oslo Accord, however settlement expansions continued, Israel continued its lockdown of Palestinian territories, continued arbitrary incursions into palestinian territory and continued to pressure the palestinian people with sanctions, restricted movement, lockdown of commerce and complete disregard for their sovereignty.

Israel is not a spotless nation with pure and noble intentions. It is as guilty of breaking UN resolutions, unprovoked violence, EXCESSIVE violence and unjust actions. Recognition is the LEAST of the problems. All it takes is ONE ROUND of neogtiations with Hamas and Israel will be recognized. The fact that 78% of palestinians support the recognition of Israel should give you an idea. However support of recognition does NOT mean that they neccessarily would dismiss Hamas as their chosen representatives.

To demand that Hamas be dismissed OR that Hamas change its stance prior to negotiations is completely contrary to the principle of international relations.

Sorry brother, I havent time to go over all this now. (im back to work). All I can say for now is, this is the most ass backward post I've ever seen.

winston53660 · 03-14-2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Sorry brother, I havent time to go over all this now. (im back to work). All I can say for now is, this is the most ass backward post I've ever seen.

West Bank Sites on Private Land, Data Shows

The data shows a pattern of illegal seizure of private land that the Israeli government has been reluctant to acknowledge or to prosecute, according to the Peace Now report. Israel has long asserted that it fully respects Palestinian private property in the West Bank and takes land there only legally or, for security reasons, temporarily. That large sections of those settlements are now confirmed by official data to be privately held land is bound to create embarrassment for Israel and further complicate the already distant prospect of a negotiated peace.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/wo...th&oref=slogin

Sheeeesh and I wonder why Palestinians are angry?

hkbajwa · 03-14-2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Like I said, might as well just ask Israel to commit mass suicide.

Now instead of harping on about this, why don't you give some CONCRETE and REAL reasons why Israel is on the brink of extinction as you claim.

Israel is :

1) Fully supported by the US
2) The BEST INFORMED nation in the world (the MOSSAD issecond only to the CIA)
3) The BEST AIRBORNE POWER in the WORLD, second only to its close ally the USA.
4) Miltarily stronger than ALL its arab neighbors put together.
5) Funded by the US
6) A NUCLEAR BLOODY POWER.

It is pure fantasy to state that Israel is under threat. As the situation is, Israel is STRONGER than all of its enemies put together. There is NO NATION inthe WORLD that poses any REAL threat to Israel. NOt even Iran (seeing as they don't have a nuke OR a delivery system OR military might to counter Israel's) It has a god damn nuclear weapon. The other nations with the same capability are NOT a danger to Israel. Infact the only one on the list which was Pakistan is now in the process of creating diplomatic ties.

The LEAST THREATENING party for the Israelis are the Palestinian. Apart from the occasional havoc created by palestinian suicide bombings, Israel continues to thrive, economically and socially. The Palestinians will NEVER be able to destroy or even DENT Israel.

Now tell me .. WHY is Israel at the brink of extinction?? Forget what ahmedinejad says. The FACT is that Israel can blast Iranback to tthe stone age. Ahmedinejad is all bluster.

So what stellar analysis tells you that Israel is about to go belly up?

America first · 03-14-2007, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hkbajwa

Well put Kat.

The obsession with Iran is horribly misguided. It is merely symptomtic of a slightly primitive policy environment that the only soution that is presented involves warfare.

Iran actionsdo not cause nearly as much rucus as Israel's does.This is not to say that Idrael does not have a right to exist, but it does seem like Israel can do ANYTHING it wishes in the name of "survivial" "self-preservation" and "self defense".

Were Israel's actions tobe curbed a bit or were they even to be treated equally, the ME situation would be diffused SUBSTANTIALLY. It is merely another example of how certain admins prefer to eradicate SYMPTOMS rather than treat the disease ( again Israel is NOT the disease, but rather it is the Palestine - Israel conflict that is the source of much polarization, distrust and anger int he world. Treat that situation in an unbiased manner and MANY potential conflicts can be avoided).

Misguided!!! hell dude, the president of Iran came out and said he wanted to destroy Israel and the United States..so where is the misunderstanding..

hkbajwa · 03-14-2007, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Preacherman

Sorry brother, I havent time to go over all this now. (im back to work). All I can say for now is, this is the most ass backward post I've ever seen.

Well I'm sorry you think that.

my contention is that as a democratically elected party, Hamas is the chosen representative of the palestinian people. To refuse to accept the results of a FREE and FAIR election is tantamount to completely deny democracy.

If the US and the world wishes to remain the bastions of democracy, then it is their DUTY to acceptthe results of a FREE and FAIR process.

Otherwise it is only showing that democracy can go fuck itself. What REALLY matters in this world is whether you kiss american ass or not. I have no problem with this in terms of politics. What makes me sick though is the hypocrisy with which some tyrants are ignored and others have their countries invaded under the banner of spreading "democracy". Likewise some rigged election results are heralded as "democratic victories" and the results of FREE and FAIR elections are DENIED.

It is a VILE desecration of democratic principles and i feel ashamed that the MOST AMAZING governmental principle (democracy - rule of the PEOPLE) is being DESTROYED by this hypocrisy.

Secondly it will just NOT DO to continue to paint Israel as the poor victimized state. It is the STRONGEST state in the region and it is the ONLY state in the region with nuclear capability. It is NOT the victim any longer and it is a travesty to justice that they are accorded that label whereas the marginalized desperate and complete desecrated palestinian population is labelled as the "bully". That is so far from the truth and reality of the situation that every action taken with this presumption HAS failed, IS failing and WILL fail.

You can call me a terrorist or whatever but i sanction NO VIOLENCE. However in order to QUELL violence what Israel and the US does is counterproductive and only makes the situation WORSE. Granted the Palestinians make it worse for themselves, but considering the fact that they have a fractured state, no economy, no autonomy, no infrastructure, no control, NO RIGHTS as HUMANS, i don't believe change can possibly start from them. I wish it could, but i don't believe it can.

Anyhow you were saying my post was backward.. Let me give you some advice. Unless you have a counter-argument, then don't bother insulting mine. It comes across as bluster and only succeeds in lessening the value of your posts.

tyreay · 03-14-2007, 06:53 AM

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