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| Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Gender: ![]() Posts: 5,097 Country: ![]()
| We oough to consider that there are some countries who have factories, with smoke going into the air. And that would cause air pollution. San Diego is having the driest year on record. Just over 3 inches of rain has fallen since July 1, 2006. The western scientists say that is due to China's factories billowing smoke into the air, which stirs the weather patterns crazy. It is easy that communist nations like China should watch their own factories, but do they? Normally, the winter storms would start in the Gulf of Alaska, and make its way down the coast towards San Diego. But storms seem to weaken, and push their way east. In 2004-2005, San Diego had their 2nd wettest season. Over 25 inches of rain fell. Normally, just under 11 inches fall from the skies. L.A. had over 33 inches of rain. We are having a real flipside of things as far as weather patterns go. And this was suppose to an El Nino season, too. For that matters, the wet season has pretty much come and gone. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: RI Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,846 Country: ![]()
| I already posted about this. Please see: http://www.defendingthetruth.com/env...g-else-11.html (You WILL Believe In Global Warming - OR ELSE!!!) I can save you a step. Heres the whole post. Please go see this movie if this subject really interests you! There is also something called global dimming that I just found out about. Please check out this link for a 49min. movie about this: Global Dimming Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| The Man You Love to Hate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ketchikan, AK Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,854 Country: ![]()
| I remember the cry to ban fluorocarbons, aerosol sprays back in the 1970's and 1980's because of global cooling. It seemed that the aerosols blocked the sun, hmmm, maybe that rush to haste was not that good of an idea to begin with. But that is what happens when people get carried away. dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles -Russell Kirk- | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: RI Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,846 Country: ![]()
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As I understand it, the only logical conclusion should be that, we should act equally responsible concerning our CO2 output. Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,227 Country: ![]()
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(I would add that this ban was effective in reversing upper atmosphere ozone depletion. Now, if we could only all agree on a similar and balanced stance and plan concerning reversing the growing amount of CO2 in our atmosphere...) | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Block Captain ![]() Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western New York Gender: ![]() Posts: 208 Country: ![]()
| This was on Nova on PBS. Not exactly a right wing exterme group. Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective "For my own part, I sincerely esteem it a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests". Alexander Hamilton, 1787 (After the Constitutional Convention) "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health". Planned Parenthood, 1963 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,198
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And just what did NOVA have to say about it? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,227 Country: ![]()
| Quote: "While the greenhouse reductions would exact a high human price, in terms of sacrifices to our standard of living,..." While I'm not a fan of the Kyoto Protocol in terms of its uneven-handed approach to lowering the world's CO2 and other greenhouse gas contributions to the atmosphere, I find it difficult to fathom why there would be such "a high human price, in terms of sacrifices to our standard of living" to pay in the US for trying to lower our greenhouse gas contributions. For example, it's actually cheaper for US citizens to purchase and use automotive hybrids long-term than it is for them to purchase and use conventional vehicles long-term. And, its actually cheaper for US citizens to purchase and use many "green technologies" at home long-term, such as switching from incandescent lighting to flourescent lighting and updating their heating, cooling, and water heating systems to more efficient designs, than it is to stay with the status quo. And, similarly, industries and businesses would financially benefit in numerous ways by "going green." And these changes at the home, business, and industry level would have a cascading effect at the power-plant level of energy production...as well as spur new businesses and job opportunities. So, I really don't understand where this conclusion is coming from...at least for the US. Anyone? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Block Captain ![]() Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western New York Gender: ![]() Posts: 208 Country: ![]()
| Nova presented the case on the link above. Read it. It shows that Al Gore et al are WRONG. Man did not cause the warming. "For my own part, I sincerely esteem it a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests". Alexander Hamilton, 1787 (After the Constitutional Convention) "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health". Planned Parenthood, 1963 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,198
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"Nova presented the case on the link above. Read it. " I'm sorry I do not take third party accounts as proof of what NOVA presented. If you can link it directly to NOVA that would be cool. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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