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Old 03-16-2007, 02:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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We oough to consider that there are some countries who have factories, with smoke going into the air. And that would cause air pollution. San Diego is having the driest year on record. Just over 3 inches of rain has fallen since July 1, 2006.

The western scientists say that is due to China's factories billowing smoke into the air, which stirs the weather patterns crazy. It is easy that communist nations like China should watch their own factories, but do they?

Normally, the winter storms would start in the Gulf of Alaska, and make its way down the coast towards San Diego. But storms seem to weaken, and push their way east. In 2004-2005, San Diego had their 2nd wettest season.

Over 25 inches of rain fell. Normally, just under 11 inches fall from the skies. L.A. had over 33 inches of rain.

We are having a real flipside of things as far as weather patterns go. And this was suppose to an El Nino season, too.

For that matters, the wet season has pretty much come and gone.
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Old 03-16-2007, 03:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I already posted about this. Please see:
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/env...g-else-11.html (You WILL Believe In Global Warming - OR ELSE!!!)



I can save you a step. Heres the whole post. Please go see this movie if this subject really interests you!


There is also something called global dimming that I just found out about. Please check out this link for a 49min. movie about this:
Global Dimming
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Old 03-17-2007, 04:19 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I remember the cry to ban fluorocarbons, aerosol sprays back in the 1970's and 1980's because of global cooling. It seemed that the aerosols blocked the sun, hmmm, maybe that rush to haste was not that good of an idea to begin with. But that is what happens when people get carried away.

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Old 03-17-2007, 06:50 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I remember the cry to ban fluorocarbons, aerosol sprays back in the 1970's and 1980's because of global cooling. It seemed that the aerosols blocked the sun, hmmm, maybe that rush to haste was not that good of an idea to begin with. But that is what happens when people get carried away.

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Sarge, did you get the chance to see the video? It basicly says there are two factors effecting our atmosphere and both of them are not natural or a good thing. They happen to be counter acting each other. One by it's self causes dimming(fluorocarbons) and the other causes warming(CO2).
As I understand it, the only logical conclusion should be that, we should act equally responsible concerning our CO2 output.
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Old 03-17-2007, 10:09 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I remember the cry to ban fluorocarbons, aerosol sprays back in the 1970's and 1980's because of global cooling. It seemed that the aerosols blocked the sun, hmmm, maybe that rush to haste was not that good of an idea to begin with. But that is what happens when people get carried away.
Actually, the primary chemicals that were banned were chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), which was an attempt to stop upper atmosphere ozone depletion. And there are numerous fluorocarbons (FCs) besides those which are bound with chlorine. And there are numerous non-CFC-related aerosols that weren't banned because they don't have the same effect on upper atmosphere ozone that CFCs have.

(I would add that this ban was effective in reversing upper atmosphere ozone depletion. Now, if we could only all agree on a similar and balanced stance and plan concerning reversing the growing amount of CO2 in our atmosphere...)
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This was on Nova on PBS. Not exactly a right wing exterme group.
Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:17 PM   #17 (permalink)
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This was on Nova on PBS. Not exactly a right wing exterme group.
Global Warming:A Chilling Perspective

And just what did NOVA have to say about it?
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From the article:

"While the greenhouse reductions would exact a high human price, in terms of sacrifices to our standard of living,..."

While I'm not a fan of the Kyoto Protocol in terms of its uneven-handed approach to lowering the world's CO2 and other greenhouse gas contributions to the atmosphere, I find it difficult to fathom why there would be such "a high human price, in terms of sacrifices to our standard of living" to pay in the US for trying to lower our greenhouse gas contributions.

For example, it's actually cheaper for US citizens to purchase and use automotive hybrids long-term than it is for them to purchase and use conventional vehicles long-term.

And, its actually cheaper for US citizens to purchase and use many "green technologies" at home long-term, such as switching from incandescent lighting to flourescent lighting and updating their heating, cooling, and water heating systems to more efficient designs, than it is to stay with the status quo.

And, similarly, industries and businesses would financially benefit in numerous ways by "going green."

And these changes at the home, business, and industry level would have a cascading effect at the power-plant level of energy production...as well as spur new businesses and job opportunities.

So, I really don't understand where this conclusion is coming from...at least for the US.

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Nova presented the case on the link above. Read it. It shows that Al Gore et al are WRONG. Man did not cause the warming.
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Nova presented the case on the link above. Read it. It shows that Al Gore et al are WRONG. Man did not cause the warming.

"Nova presented the case on the link above. Read it. "

I'm sorry I do not take third party accounts as proof of what NOVA presented. If you can link it directly to NOVA that would be cool.
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