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Environment Debate and defend the issues our world faces on topics such as global warming, environmental pollution, and the many proposals that might help solve these problems.

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Old 03-27-2007, 09:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Half truths, trickery and deception is all that's left of the Republican Party.
Most members of the Republican Party do not use these tactics that you have described.
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Old 03-28-2007, 12:23 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 03-28-2007, 06:59 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 03-28-2007, 03:50 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Absolutely they are that excuse. However, they also do reduce carbon in the atmosphere, and this is what Gore is telling people to do. Gore does not denounce a luxurious lifestyles: he denounces carbon in the atmosphere.
... which he, everyday, emits, and attempts to offset buy paying some hoax of a company to plant trees hundreds of miles away from where the emissions are actually being emitted. Sounds like a plan to me.

You know, I would encourage every conservative and Republican to do the same thing. Buy stock in a lumber company! Such companies plant trees for every tree they cut down to manufacture goods out of. So, essentially, I’m investing in the same thing. Thank God, now I won’t worry about letting my scrambled eggs cook a little longer on the stove so they aren’t mostly liquid.


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It is true that offsetting and reducing are two different things, but when calculating one's carbon footprint, offsets are taken into consideration.
And this still means nothing. Gore is still adding to the problem he so vehemently believes will occur if we don’t reduce our carbon emissions. It is impossible to stop emitting carbon into the atmosphere. It is impossible to be “carbon neutral.” It is possible however, to reduce emissions to a level in which won’t contribute to the apocalyptic conclusion of our planet Gore likes to scare people with. Gore is not doing that, and he is not going through great strides to accomplish it. Instead, he likes his pool house at 75 degrees as well as all 28 rooms in his home.


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Which is why Gore only uses his jet in time-sensitive situations.
So good intentions is all that matters? If you’re driving a hummer to the hospital because your wife is about to bear a child, that’s ok? If you drive your car to work everyday, is that a good intention? Is that an acceptable excuse. This is what this whole argument is essentially. Half-hearted excuses being pulled out of no where to protect a man who thinks the entire earth will become the eleventh circle of hell in 8 years.


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One tree can't, but enough trees could. Remember also that carbon offsets do not only plant trees: they also reduce carbon through replacing normal energy sources with green power (solar power, wind power, and power from methane in landfills).
Aside from the fact that wind power costs more than it does produce, and unless Gore is planting a forest around, above, and under his house, there is no what a tree is going to catch the carbon emissions emitting from his home.


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If Gore didn't pay for Green Power, that extra power would have to come from somewhere, right? The only place it could come from is the normal, carbon-producing methods.
The fact that he buys green power means only that he personally is not contributing to the carbon emissions emitted by natural gas/coal power plants. Said power plants have not, to my knowledge, ever reduced production to compensate for more people switching to “green power.” If I’m wrong, I’ll admit it, but until I see evidence stating otherwise...


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There are definitely carbon offset scams out there, but Gore's offset company is one of the most reliable.
I want to see the trees planted by this company. Show me pictures of the trees Gore has paid for.
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Half truths, trickery and deception is all that's left of the Republican Party.
Actually, what I was doing was attempting to have an intelligent conversation. But if you feel the need to fling shit around and see where it sticks, go ahead. I've got my squeegee ready.
Old 03-28-2007, 03:55 PM   #36 (permalink)
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The fact that he buys green power means only that he personally is not contributing to the carbon emissions emitted by natural gas/coal power plants. Said power plants have not, to my knowledge, ever reduced production to compensate for more people switching to “green power.” If I’m wrong, I’ll admit it, but until I see evidence stating otherwise...
The point is that Gore is paying a premium toward the production of energy via cleaner methods.

If everyone followed his example then carbon emissions COULD be reduced.

At least he is trying to set an example and is rtaising awareness of the issue.

He isn't saying that everyone has to live in a tiny solar powered apartment!

He's saying everyone can help reduce carbon emissions at whatever consumption level they happen to be
Old 03-28-2007, 03:58 PM   #37 (permalink)
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The point is that Gore is paying a premium toward the production of energy via cleaner methods.

If everyone followed his example then carbon emissions COULD be reduced.

At least he is trying to set an example and is rtaising awareness of the issue.

He isn't saying that everyone has to live in a tiny solar powered apartment!

He's saying everyone can help reduce carbon emissions at whatever consumption level they happen to be
If he wants to set a GOOD example, he needs to reduce his carbon emission, not offset them.
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If he wants to set a GOOD example, he needs to reduce his carbon emission, not offset them.
Ummm...offsetting carbon emissions tends to be the same thing as reducing carbon emissions.

Ummm...just an FYI.
Old 03-28-2007, 04:16 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Ummm...offsetting carbon emissions tends to be the same thing as reducing carbon emissions.

Ummm...just an FYI.
Ummm...no, it's ummm...not. The same amount of carbon emissions are being emitted from his home and his jet. A tree cannot reduce carbon emissions, especially not the amount Gore emits.
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