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| Head of Security Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,854 Country: ![]()
| Feminists Should Work to Protect Pornography A Critique of Anti-Porn Feminism Do these accusations stand up under examination?Pornography Is Degrading to Women'Degrading' is a subjective term. I find commercials in which women become orgasmic over soapsuds to be tremendously degrading. The bottom line is that every woman has the right to define what is degrading and liberating for herself.The assumed degradation is often linked to the 'objectification' of women: that is, porn converts them into sexual objects. What does this mean? If taken literally, it means nothing because objects don't have sexuality; only beings do. But to say that porn portrays women as 'sexual beings' makes for poor rhetoric. Usually, the term 'sex objects' means showing women as 'body parts', reducing them to physical objects. What is wrong with this? Women are as much their bodies as they are their minds or souls. No one gets upset if you present women as 'brains' or as 'spiritual beings'. If I concentrated on a woman's sense of humor to the exclusion of her other characteristics, is this degrading? Why is it degrading to focus on her sexuality?Pornography Leads to Violence Against Women.A cause-and-effect relationship is drawn between men viewing pornography and men attacking women, especially in the form of rape. But studies and experts disagree as to whether any relationship exists between pornography and violence, between images and behavior. Even the pro-censorship Meese Commission Report admitted that the data connecting pornography to violence was unreliable.Other studies, such as the one prepared by feminist Thelma McCormick (1983) for the Metropolitan Toronto Task Force on Violence Against Women, find no pattern to connect porn and sex crimes. Incredibly, the Task Force suppressed the study and reassigned the project to a pro-censorship male, who returned the 'correct' results. His study was published.What of real world feedback? In Japan, where pornography depicting graphic and brutal violence is widely available, rape is much lower per capita than in the United States, where violence in porn is severely restricted.Pornography Is ViolenceWomen Are Coerced into Pornography:Not one woman of the dozens of women in porn with whom I spoke reported being coerced. Not one knew of a woman who had been. Nevertheless, I do not dismiss reports of violence: every industry has its abuses. And anyone who uses force or threats to make a woman perform should be charged with kidnapping, assault, and/or rape. Any pictures or film should be confiscated and burned, because no one has the right to benefit from the proceeds of a crime.Women Who Pose for Porn Are so Traumatized by Patriarchy They Cannot Give Real Consent:Although women in pornography appear to be willing, anti-porn feminists know that no psychologically healthy woman would agree to the degradation of pornography. Therefore, if agreement seems to be present, it is because the women have 'fallen in love with their own oppression' and must be rescued from themselves.A common emotional theme in the porn actresses I have interviewed is a love of exhibitionism. Yet if such a woman declares her enjoyment in flaunting her body, anti-porn feminists claim she is not merely a unique human being who reacts from a different background or personality. She is psychologically damaged and no longer responsible for her actions. In essence, this is a denial of a woman's right to choose anything outside the narrow corridor of choices offered by political/sexual correctness. The right to choose hinges on the right to make a 'wrong' choice, just as freedom of religion entails the right to be an atheist. After all, no one will prevent a woman from doing what they think she should do. A Pro-Sex Defense of Pornography As a 'pro-sex' feminist, I contend: Pornography benefits women, both personally and politically. It benefits them personally in several ways:
There are dozens of reasons. Perhaps by losing control, she also sheds all sense of responsibility for and guilt over sex. Perhaps it is the exact opposite of the polite, gentle sex she has now. Perhaps it is flattering to imagine a particular man being so overwhelmed by her that he must have her. Perhaps she is curious. Perhaps she has some masochistic feelings that are vented through the fantasy. Is it better to bottle them up? Breaking Cultural and Political Stereotypes
Pornography benefits women politically in many ways, including the following:
The law cannot eliminate pornography, any more than it has been able to stamp out prostitution. But making pornography illegal will further alienate and endanger women sex workers. Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand. http://www.armysailor.com http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog ------------------------------------ Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere Quixotic Journey | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Head of Security Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,854 Country: ![]()
| The above is an interesting article I found on line, and thought might seed good debate. The opinions in it are not neccesarily my own. Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand. http://www.armysailor.com http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog ------------------------------------ Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere Quixotic Journey | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Something my 18 year old son said the other day really upset me. He said "You know, Mom, I hate feminists". I asked him, "Do you even know what a feminist is?" He replied "It's those people who hate men, say all kinds of bad things about men" etc. I told him "Josh, I don't know where you are getting your information, but a feminist is just someone who believes that women should have exactly the same rights as men. There are extremes, just are there are extreme misogynists, but those aren't feminists". It makes me really worried about the information that's getting out there. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Head of Security Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,854 Country: ![]()
| Sadly I think your son may be right... Words can take on new meanings. And the problem is that the only people who really tout being a feminist any more seems to be man hating lesbians (I am not implying all lesbians hate men), and women with a serious chip on their shoulder. Your definition is definitely the correct one, and I consider myself a feminist by that definition, (another misconception is that men can not be feminists) but the fact remains that people who simply want equality for both sexes rarely (or at least not loudly) refer to themselves as feminists... Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand. http://www.armysailor.com http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog ------------------------------------ Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere Quixotic Journey | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,214 Country: ![]()
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Now, he classes all feminists into that category. My little 80 year old mother, mother of 7, is probably the most raging feminist out there. She doesn't hate men, but she would absolutely fight like mad anyone who said women don't deserve equal rights. She remembers those times when women weren't equal. She remembers being a 24 year old widow with two small daughters in the 1950's, and not being able to get a decent job, having to marry a man she didn't love just to be able to make ends meet. I made my son watch the movie 'Mona Lisa Smile', and said "Josh, THAT'S why we need feminists." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Head of Security Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,854 Country: ![]()
| I have never heard of Mona Lisa Smile... Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand. http://www.armysailor.com http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog ------------------------------------ Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere Quixotic Journey | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,214 Country: ![]()
| It was a movie released a few years ago starring Julia Roberts, Kirsten Dunst and Julia Stiles about a woman who becomes a professor at a girls college back in the 1950's. It really gave good insight on what the mentality in regards to what a woman was expected to be back then. It was fine to get an education, but then you were supposed to get married, have babies, and be reliant on your 'man'. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Head of Security Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Cradle of Liberty Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,854 Country: ![]()
| Yeah see, I want my woman to get educated and go to work, and I want to be a house husband and cater to her every whim... Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand. http://www.armysailor.com http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog ------------------------------------ Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere Quixotic Journey | |||||||||||||||||||||
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I read about what you said about your mom. Seems she is still a very high-spirited lady. Maybe this is why I have been single for my whole life. I don't hate women. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalm 119:105 | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Back to the OT, I agree with much of what was in that essay. I've read/watched a few interviews with female porn stars. They pretty much said the same things. Stuff like, "Hey, nobody forced me into this. I like it, I'm good at it and the money is great." Anyway, no, I think most of your basic porn is not any more "degrading" of women than it is of men. If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields | |||||||||||||||||||||
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