Originally Posted by tristanrobin

I think baboons do that, don't they?

Originally Posted by mytmouse57

I might not agree with everything this guy says, but the basic principle of this article is right on the money. I've long said there is going to be a HUGE backlash against the GLBT rights movement if it continues on its present course.

Originally Posted by mytmouse57

It's not just "Christians." As a Baha'i, I've been told I'm "hateful" by default, I've had my religion likened to Nazi doctrine and told that it's dangerous to the point of being deadly -- simply because it -- like nearly all Orthodox faiths -- states that marriage is only between men and women and that God does not approve of homosexual behaivor.

Originally Posted by mytmouse57

The GLBT rights movement was right on the money to condem such clowns as The Rev. Fred Phelps. But then the circle of those considered "hateful" began to grow and expand to include more and more people.

Originally Posted by mytmouse57

Now, faiths that are veiwed my most as moderate, or even a little liberal, are being labled as "extreme" or "hateful" -- simply because they won't re-write religious law to celebrate homosexuality and embrace gay unions within the church, synogauge, mousqe, temple or other house of worship.

Originally Posted by mytmouse57

I had one particularly militant poster in another forum say that as a person of means and a large employeer, it's becoming one of his main goals in life to "maginalize" those who practice "anti-gay theology."

Originally Posted by foundit66

Some simple facts on the matter:
1) Hate crime legislation is supported by a MAJORITY of the U.S. population. Almost 8 out of 10 support it.
A majority also support hate crime legislation that includes sexual orientation. Supported by almost 7 out of 10.
Public Favors Expansion of Hate Crime Law to Include Sexual Orientation


Well, as detailed in another thread, the majority apparently think the U.S. was founded as and meant to be a "Christian Nation." At one time, the majority were more or less okay with slavery too.

Also, this legislation has a very big "feel-good" factor to it, which makes the basic concept an easy sell. After all, who doesn't want to be against hate?
So, it comes as no suprise that this sugar-coated turkey has garnered a lot of apparent public support.

2) Anti-gay work is a HUGE business in the U.S. Many organizations can be cited with multi-million dollar budgets.
If "hate crime" legislation worked as some people claimed, wouldn't these organizations be shut down in the states that have hate crime legislation covering sexual orientation?

I think there's elements supporting this legislation and similar concepts that would love to see just that happen. Some people have a vested interest in seeing their opponents forced to shut up.

If "hate crime" legislation worked as some people claimed, would we be able to see some churches actually shut down in or prosecuted in the states that have hate crime legislation?

I think the legislation points things in that direction. It's a clear step in that direction, IMO.

This line of propaganda is nothing but stupid lies.

Just as is much of what GLAAD says.


As cited above, a majority support hate crime legislation.
I don't see how a "backlash" can be generated out of that situation.
Do you see any "backlash" against blacks who are also covered by hate crimes?

No, but again, I don't think most people realize what "hate crime" legislation actually represents, or how far from its origonal intent it's gotten. Again, it started out with a good concept, giving the federal government jurisdiction over cases stemming from such incidents as attempts to intimidate or terrorize certian groups from voting or going to school.


There are some out there who have adopted the role that is prominently held by people like Jesse Jackson or Sharpton in the black community. And sometimes they have causes that have some merit.
But unfortunately they are renowned for picking causes that center around false claims of prejudice, with claims that are fairly unilaterally rejected by most other people.

With that said, can anybody name somebody who is actually like that in the gay community?

Rosie O'Donnel. Melissa Ethridge. GLAAD.

While I don't deny the existence of what you say mytmouse, it is hardly prominent nor prevalent in the gay community. Most involves fighting against gay adoption legislation. Inclusion of gays in the military without restrictions. Fighting for gay couple legal recognition and protection.

All worthy causes. But there's also good arguments against some of those things. For instance, if it can be proven that allowing gays to openly serve in the military would in any way, shape or form disrupt morale... then screw social progress. The job of the military is not to protect soldiers from having their feelings hurt. It is to protect the country and inflict disabling damage upon any threat as quickly as possible. If you undermine morale, the military can't do it's job. No, I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just saying I want damn good evidence that openly gay soldiers would NOT affect unit cohesion and morale before I can get behind it.

And yes, I get undertones from some elements of the gay rights movement that what they are really fighting for is to get everybody who disagrees with them to shut up.

Quite frankly, it isn't growing as fast as the circle of people who claimed to be included as being condemned by the "GLBT rights movement"...

Well, maybe there's something to that. The GLBT movement seems to be pissing more and more people off for some reason.

For example, who here has behaved as you described?
Who here has considered others as "hateful" just because their religion is against homosexuality?
I have been on message boards where that is the cause for one or two individuals, but most are not like that. In fact, I have seen others advise against such stances against religion.

This board is good that way. I've been on another board (as has FX) were the behavior I described is blatantly rampant. Then again, I fully admit that board is basically set up to be a GLBT echo chamber. The rules of conduct simply won't allow dissent in any form, while the "pro-gay" side is basically free to engange in all sorts of character assasination, personal attacks and ridicule of others' beliefs. Hence, I go here now, not there.



And how many in the gay community actually hold that position?
Which "GLBT rights movement" groups can you quote as doing what you describe?

Again, GLAAD. Read their website, you'd think the world was out to get them.


And those INDIVIDUALS do exist.
But please don't confuse them with the "GLBT rights movement"...

Originally Posted by mytmouse57

Originally Posted by foundit66

Some simple facts on the matter:
1) Hate crime legislation is supported by a MAJORITY of the U.S. population. Almost 8 out of 10 support it.
A majority also support hate crime legislation that includes sexual orientation. Supported by almost 7 out of 10.
Public Favors Expansion of Hate Crime Law to Include Sexual Orientation
2) Anti-gay work is a HUGE business in the U.S. Many organizations can be cited with multi-million dollar budgets.
If "hate crime" legislation worked as some people claimed, wouldn't these organizations be shut down in the states that have hate crime legislation covering sexual orientation?
If "hate crime" legislation worked as some people claimed, would we be able to see some churches actually shut down in or prosecuted in the states that have hate crime legislation?

Originally Posted by fxashun

Here, here. I come HERE too. This is a great board. And you are right in what you say about that "other" board. It's funny how the rule about not talking about other member is only applied to certain people yet there are those that can say anything they want about you. Especially some that are supposed to be mods. I'm glad they kicked me out.

DEY CAN'T HANDLE DA TROOF

Originally Posted by mytmouse57

Well, "over there," they've determined that I'm a mean-spirited, bigoted religious fundamentalist who is actually a frustrated, closeted bi-sexual who just won't admit it.

I found it quite hysterical. But, like you, I eventually just got fed up and decided the more "real" atmosphere here beats the surreal "cartoon land" feel of that place.

Originally Posted by garysher

Which forum are you referring to?