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"Hate Crimes" Legislation: A License To Kill The First Amendment

Freedom of Speech Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; How far do you feel freedom of speech should go?

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Old 10-08-2007, 10:04 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I missed the post. I had no idea someone named Gwen was beaten to death. The Gwen Stefani reference came from an earlier discussion we had in regards to her plastered down hair and small breasts.
Tell me, are you interested in anything other then your immature quips?
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Tell me, are you interested in anything other then your immature quips?
Sometimes.
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Tell me, are you interested in anything other then your immature quips?
Why can't you be nice for a change?
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Why can't you be nice for a change?
Why can't you be serious for a change?

Why can't you actually read what is posted instead of only thinking about your next bad joke?
Old 10-08-2007, 10:10 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Why can't you be serious for a change?

Why can't you actually read what is posted instead of only thinking about your next bad joke?
Not all of his jokes are bad. I find a lot of them humorous.

I got yo bak PN.
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Foundit, you make some good points, but I still don't agree with you on a couple of things.

Again, "society" telling judges what to do makes me uncomfortable for the same reason that the passengers on an airliner telling the pilot how to fly the plane would.

A degree for autonomy among judges is one of the most important features of our court system. I do not think our court system should be beholded the whims of public opinon or the passions of populart sentiment.
True, that does leave it open to the possiblity of corruption by bad judges. But there are mechanims in place to deal with bad judges -- mostly through peer organizations.
And it's much better than the alternative of our courts being micro-managed from the outside.

Also, when it comes to disruption of military morale, I don't care WHO is behind it. All that matters is THAT it exists.. and when our troops ar in harms way, they do NOT need those sorts of distractions. Therefore, I think that argument of yours fails.

A much better argument you made, IMO, is that the military actually suffers by shutting gays out, because it hurts recruitment and keeps some of the best soldiers from serving at a time when they are sorely needed.
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Yes, that would be a great reason to beat someone for 5 hours (3 on 1), hit them in the head with a barbell, knee them in the face so hard their head leaves a dent on the wall behind it, and to strangle them until dead.

You guys are sick, making jokes about someone who was savagely murdered for no other reason then the homophobia of her attackers.

You really think they were homophobic??

Of course they were wrong to murder this pathetic, confused individual, but we don't need "hate crime" laws to deal with their crime. It's murder and that's it.

One could argue that this transgendered boy-girl must have hated his attackers by knowingly trying to deceive them about his gender.

If they had murdered someone that deceived them about, say, a business deal would that have been a hate crime?
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I don't know if they were homophobic, but they sure were fucked in the head to do that to another human being.

I don't think we need "hate crime" laws to know these Bubbas need to go away for life.
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I don't know if they were homophobic, but they sure were fucked in the head to do that to another human being.

I don't think we need "hate crime" laws to know these Bubbas need to go away for life.
They got 15 to life. So they could get back out before then. This is just a bad situation really.
If "Gwen" hadn't tried to deceive these people he/she would still be alive and they would probably still be free people. As Gary said, it could be argued that there was a bit of animosity on both sides.
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Tristan, I agree with you.
For example, there ARE (what I would consider to be mis-practiced) elements within the Islamic world that are hateful.

As for the rights of law-abiding citizens, I've always held that secular law should be as libretarian as reasonably possible. As I understand religion according to my studies of it, the Prophets have all said let the world and the people in it go the way they will.

And I agree with that. I don't think gambling, prostitution and the recreational use of certian substances are moral. But I think making them illegal is stupid and pointless.

Marriage, or unions (pick your term) as gays are trying to seek it, is a civil, legal matter -- not a religious/moral matter.

And even within religion, I have a right only to criticize that within MY religion. If another religion debates it among themselves and decides they want gay weddings in their church, it's not my place to tell them what to do.
Mouse, I have to tell you that this is the first time I have seen anything written about Islam and its adherents that does not categorize all as something hateful, evil, or anything else bad. Thank you for that. I am not of this religion; but I do not accept everyone and everything Islamic as bad. Yes, there are elements and people within this group that we cannot accept as good by American standard; but we tend- too much - to categorize.
Your statement on gay marriage is also correct. Too many see this as a moral matter but seem to forget that they have no right to dictate morals to others. You are indeed a clear-minded indivdual who does not think that his own morals and beliefs are what everyone should have to live by. Thanks for your insightful piece!
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