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Freedom of Speech Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; How far do you feel freedom of speech should go?

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Old 07-03-2006, 12:54 PM   #21 (permalink)
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They want freedom to impose their morals on other people?
That's funny. That is what lefties always say. I've never been forced to read a bible or pray. I've never been forced to attend church. Have you?
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Old 07-03-2006, 12:57 PM   #22 (permalink)
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We've been over this before alias.
Christians CAN pray in school. Any Christian can bow his head during lunch or before a game and pray his own prayer. THAT is their FREEDOM.

They CANNOT have the governmentally paid teacher or coach LEAD THEM in that prayer.

NOBODY is denying you "freedom".



I kind of already answered this question, but I'll do now explicitly.
No. He doesn't have that "right".
He has the "right" to bow his own head and pray. He doesn't have the right to LEAD OTHERS in prayer.


And I can't help but notice you have effectively ignored ALL the points I made earlier.
It's amazing how self-centered your arguing style is. You focus ONLY on what you want to focus on, and insist others answer your questions...
And when others DO answer your questions, you refuse to answer theirs, and you refuse to address their arguments.


Do you want to discuss the REPUBLICAN PARTY censoring a REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE??? The example I brought up earlier.
The coach does have the right to lead others in prayer. It's been happening all over this country for years. It doesn't hurt anyone so why do you want to stop it? Why do you want to impose your will on others?
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Check out the 14th Amendment.
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Old 07-03-2006, 01:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
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The coach does have the right to lead others in prayer. It's been happening all over this country for years.
Slavery happened all over this country for years as well.
The historicity of people violating the constitution does not make their violation constitutional.

The coach does not have the right to lead others in prayer.
You insisting that he does will not make the court decisions which state otherwise go away.


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It doesn't hurt anyone so why do you want to stop it? Why do you want to impose your will on others?
I could ask you the same thing on the issue of gay marriage...
Separation of church and state. It's just that simple....

And predictably, YET AGAIN, you ignore the issues you can't address.
Why won't you discuss the REPUBLICAN PARTY censoring a REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE??? The example I brought up earlier.
"(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish."
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Old 07-03-2006, 01:37 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Slavery happened all over this country for years as well.
The historicity of people violating the constitution does not make their violation constitutional.

The coach does not have the right to lead others in prayer.
You insisting that he does will not make the court decisions which state otherwise go away.



I could ask you the same thing on the issue of gay marriage...
Separation of church and state. It's just that simple....

And predictably, YET AGAIN, you ignore the issues you can't address.
Why won't you discuss the REPUBLICAN PARTY censoring a REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE??? The example I brought up earlier.
Your point about slavery is hysterical. Slavery was denying a human being his rights. Slavery was banned and the slave won freedom. You are suggesting taking a person's rights away who has enjoyed them since before this nation was founded. Tell me how the 2 connect in your mind.
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Slavery happened all over this country for years as well.
The historicity of people violating the constitution does not make their violation constitutional.

The coach does not have the right to lead others in prayer.
You insisting that he does will not make the court decisions which state otherwise go away.



I could ask you the same thing on the issue of gay marriage...
Separation of church and state. It's just that simple....

And predictably, YET AGAIN, you ignore the issues you can't address.
Why won't you discuss the REPUBLICAN PARTY censoring a REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE??? The example I brought up earlier.
What is your point? I've been away for a bit fishing and forgot the thread. Please refresh me.
Old 07-03-2006, 01:44 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Your point about slavery is hysterical. Slavery was denying a human being his rights. Slavery was banned and the slave won freedom. You are suggesting taking a person's rights away who has enjoyed them since before this nation was founded. Tell me how the 2 connect in your mind.
I've made my argument plain.
The analogy has differences, but none of the differences moot my point.

Just because something has a history to it DOES NOT make it constitutional.
Just because coaches in the past have prayed with their athletes does not mean it's constitutional. Nor does it make it a right.

You're nitpicking over irrelevant details that do not impinge upon my point.

These aren't "rights" that we are talking about with regards to coaches leading prayers.
Can you show me ANY court ruling which claimed it was a "right"?
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What is your point? I've been away for a bit fishing and forgot the thread. Please refresh me.
READ the thread for a change.

I'm not going to baby-sit you by repeating myself when you didn't even read what I said the first time...
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That's funny. That is what lefties always say. I've never been forced to read a bible or pray. I've never been forced to attend church. Have you?
No, but if you would consider me being indoctrinated at an early age being "forced" to believe in Christian beliefs then yes. But its the point that you havn't been forced, because they aren't granted that "freedom" in our country through the idea of seperation of church and state. If it weren't for that, Christianity would gain political power through the democratic system and could create a hierarchy that suits their morals and beliefs, or theocracy if you will. Thereby eliminating many freedoms which our Constitution protects. I'm not just farting this stuff out, many far right-wing Christian fundamentalist groups which seem to be grasping power in our government have already expressed their wishes which constitute what I have stated.
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I've made my argument plain.
The analogy has differences, but none of the differences moot my point.

Just because something has a history to it DOES NOT make it constitutional.
Just because coaches in the past have prayed with their athletes does not mean it's constitutional. Nor does it make it a right.

You're nitpicking over irrelevant details that do not impinge upon my point.

These aren't "rights" that we are talking about with regards to coaches leading prayers.
Can you show me ANY court ruling which claimed it was a "right"?
The coach had the right to do it until some communists came along and found some educated dummies in black robes to agree with them and not the constitution. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom of religion only when some communists say it is freedom of religion. It means what it says and says what it means. You and your ilk are wrong. There is going to come a day when enough people will get fed up with losing their freedoms that they have enjoyed from the before the founding of this great country and you and your friends are going to have a very rude awakening. We had one revolution in this country and it's almost time for another one.
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