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07-04-2006, 12:06 PM
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07-04-2006, 01:01 PM
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No matter how many times you say he "had the right to", it doesn't make it true. It's like saying a coach was having sex with 16-year old girls until he got caught, and then somebody took his "right to do it" away... Quote:
You just ASSUME that you are right without even bothering to try to show why... Freedom of religion exists alongside separation of church and state. They DO HAVE a freedom of religion, like I have repeatedly stated. You may want more power in that, to involve governmental endorsement, but you have no "right" to do that. Tell me alias. What's the difference. a) Coach leads his players in prayer. b) Coach doesn't lead his players in prayer. The coach and the players are free to pray in the locker room if they want to, but the coach does not lead them in it... WHY is Part b a violation of religious freedom? In both cases, they are free to pray... Quote:
You almost out of hot air yet? People like you ARE getting pissed off. But you're deluding yourself if you think you're any where near a majority... "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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07-04-2006, 02:47 PM
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Yes the coach does have the right to lead his team in prayer. If a player doesn't like it then he can object to the coach. No one else has the right to say he doesn't. You show me in the constitution where the coach does not have the right and I'll show you in the constitution where he does. "People" like me are like the founders of this country. People like me fought and died for 230 years to protect this country. It doesn't matter if we are a minority like you claim (false). All that matters is if we are willing to fight for what we believe and we are. You aren't. That is why even if we are not a majority, we will win. People like you are like the people in countries that were taken over by totalitarians because you wont fight for what you believe. Are you willing to fight for what you believe? I don't think you are. I am. That is why I am an American patriot and you aren't. Last edited by alias; 07-04-2006 at 02:59 PM. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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07-04-2006, 03:27 PM
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Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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07-04-2006, 03:55 PM
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2. It is funny that you talk about freedom of religion, but I have never seen you defend a muslim coach's right to lead the team in a prayer to Allah facing toward mecca. Or how about an atheist coach's right to lead his team in a chant before the game declaring "God does not exist!"? I believe that no student should have to choose between betraying his religious beliefs and being shunned by his coach and/or team. If a coach is allowed to lead the team in prayer, all the players have to go along with it (even if it is contrary to their beliefs) or be called an outsider and being against team unity. Finally, there is no clear benefit to having the coach lead a prayer, so if there is a risk of a violation of rights with no benefit, it is best to be safe. 3. People like the founders also had slaves and people like me have fought and died in wars too so your whole rant does not prove anything. Besides, I doubt you could tell me the what the founders believed and what they said about such issues. Willingness to fight for what you believe in does not make you a patriot. Hitler was willing to fight for what he believed, does that make Hitler an American patriot? When the president talks to God Do they drink near beer and go play golf While they pick which countries to invade Which Muslim souls still can be saved? I guess god just calls a spade a spade When the president talks to God | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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07-04-2006, 05:16 PM
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Violation of separation of church and state, remember? No matter how many times you claim he "has that right", you're not actually doing anything. Sure. You believe he has that right.... The law says otherwise. Quote:
Didn't you acknowledge it's existence at the end of the last argument you had trying to claim it didn't exist??? Show me where the constitution says he does. It talks about FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Which is satisfied here. The coach and his players are ALL free to pray. A fact you cannot deny... Quote:
Why doesn't Ann Coulter start railing against the conservatives who start using the "founders of the country" as their spokes-person? Hate to break it to you alias, but people like me are ALSO like the founders of this country... Quote:
Which of us has ACTUALLY SERVED in the military? People "like" me? I HAVE ACTUALLY served in the military... Quote:
Because you make stupid statements like this. I DID serve in the military to "fight for what I believe" in. I AM willing to fight. You know nothing about what I am "willing" to fight for... Quote:
Simple question. I'm betting you hide from it... "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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07-04-2006, 10:04 PM
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If it weren't for an avenue of exchange of information such as the internet I would probably still be Christian; because I would only be surrounded by those who follow those beliefs. As I grew up and as a person who looks at the facts, and logic rather than say the paranormal; I have taken on atheism. But mostly it is probably credited to me opening my mind to many perspectives and ideas, rather than just one closed view on life. Although I don't believe in a big bearded man in the sky, I credit much of my lifestyle to ideas of many religions, mostly from Buddhism. But my personal accounts don't matter. My point still stands and I wish you would respond to the points being addressed, not personal things. "If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche Economic Left/Right: -9.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 Last edited by Katczinsky; 07-04-2006 at 10:07 PM. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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