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| *Premium Member* Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Gender: ![]() Posts: 11,785 Country: ![]()
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If your govt can ban internet gambling and visits to Cuba then they can certainly ban importing foreign orphans until American orphans have proper homes knowuryder: and I should care what some dullard on a message board thinks about me because why exactly? | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Community Leader ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Flint, MI Gender: ![]() Posts: 957 Country: ![]()
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Both gay marriage and interracial marriage were subjected to the same arguments: -The opposition claimed that interracial marriage was against the Bible, opponents of gay marriage have this exact argument. -Opponents of both gay marriage and interracial marriage tried to pass a permanent nationwide ban through a Constitutional amendment. (Anti-Miscegenation Amendment of 1912, Federal Marriage Amendment 0f 2004) -Massachusetts was the 1st state in the union to overturn Anti-interracial marriage laws and it was the 1st state to legalize gay marriage. Everything I say is a lie, and that is the truth. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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And you can point to NO study which shows any detriment to the child by being raised by gay parent. Two rather glaring statistical points. And despite all the times you claim to have "dealt" with this research, you still cannot counter that... Quote:
Yes. You are thoroughly circular! Quote:
2) ROFLMAO! You are truly desparate. How "hard are we looking?" I'm sorry, but are some of these adoptive parents LOST? The truth is that we ALREADY HAVE adoptive parents who come forward to adopt. Any "looking" you want to do to find more can be done UNDER THE CURRENT STATUS QUO. And you have in NO WAY SHOWN ANYTHING which will increase the adoptive parents to cause the married heterosexual adoption cover the current orphan deficit. Quote:
(And that's saying quite a lot!) Tell me. How much MORE do you want to spend to try and get MORE heterosexual married couples to adopt??? Perhaps you want to turn it into another source of income for them??? Quote:
Naw. How about you do your own damn work? Quote:
Possibly hypocritical, yes. But not a lie, considering YOU DO post circular arguments. I have proven this repeatedly. Quote:
But when I challenge you to show ANY DETRIMENT that a child raised by gay parents has vs a child raised by straight parents, you are COMPLETELY INEFFECTUAL in answering the challenge. Kids raised by gay parents are supposedly "deficient", yet you cannot point to ANY way that kids raised by straight parents turn out better! Quote:
I also know that YOUR "goal" is not the goal of the American system, for GOOD REASON. (I also note that you refer to it as "adoption/foster". Did you finally figure out your earlier stupidity by trying to insist we discuss "orphanages" and complaining that instead we talked about foster care? Good for you! You ARE capable of learning, even if you are incredibly slow!) Quote:
Being a parent does not magically make you capable of knowing what is "best" for children. You are living proof that is not the case, as you propose a plan that would take children from knowing at least ONE parent to NO parents. I also have told you repeatedly that my partner and I will adopt someday, and there is only ONE state in the union where we can't do that. Unfortunately, you are again too stupid to comprehend that as well... "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Senator ![]() Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,836
| I just challenged you to PROVE your claim that you had already included this in your plan. And all you do is blindly claim that it was already there??? You prove my point. NOWHERE before that post had you EVER talked about a plan to increase heterosexual married adoption. NOWHERE. And now you lie and pretend you have. Tell me garysher. Why is it that I suspect that people here will KNOW that you are AGAIN LYING??? Quote:
Garysher is trying DESPARATELY to change the subject to non-topical pursuits instead of addressing my challenge. It is easily noted that neither internet gambling nor visits to Cuba have ANYTHING to do with him proving that he has already discussed means of increasing heterosexual married couple adoption. MAN is he obvious! And the whole idea of comparing ADOPTION, and its issues of citizenry, with "internet gambling" and visiting Cuba??? Amazing! Moreover, would you care to explain HOW MANY children are adopted overseas each year, and compare that to how many children are NOT adopted in the American adoption system? Of course you wouldn't... And AGAIN I will repeat the question he cowardly dodges... Which is better Gar? Knowing ONE parent, or not knowing ANY parents? THAT is what you don't give a damn about. "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher Last edited by foundit66; 06-05-2007 at 10:52 AM. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Council Member ![]() Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The great, dead heart of suburbia Gender: ![]() Posts: 1,537 Country: ![]()
| I can't imagine why it would be easier to adopt from overseas. There has to be a great deal of red tape, regulations, residency and naturalization issues to deal with, not to mention the obvious application for legal guardianship of the child. "Every time I hear the phrase 'Christian nation' I run to my car and blast a Slayer album at full volume." - Me | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| A Funny Fellow Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pensacola, FL Gender: ![]() Posts: 6,450 Country: ![]()
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| A Funny Fellow Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pensacola, FL Gender: ![]() Posts: 6,450 Country: ![]()
| I adopted my daughter from China in 1997. There are indeed many red tape issues to deal with, but it wasn't that bad. We were declared the legal parents of our daughter while we were still in China, so that was never an issue. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Some reasons just aren't good enough to justify a law. You said: "... I might not like it, but it's not my business", and I agree with the sentiment. When it comes to people's rights, "not liking it" just isn't a good enough reason. "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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![]() *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Conservatism: Self-centered mean-spiritedness fueled by ignorance and misguided self-importance. Bigotry is a social disease. Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Yep. That's what it boils down to. Others have free will. Let 'em exersise it. If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields | |||||||||||||||||||||
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