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Old 06-04-2007, 09:47 PM   #121 (permalink)
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It is painfully obvious that you are making up NEW crap as you go along.
Your "plan" has that in it?
Show me ANY PRIOR post of yours where you discuss doing this...

And there is no way you could legally ban people from adopting over-seas. That's just stupid.
Nope. It's just another one of your lies

If your govt can ban internet gambling and visits to Cuba then they can certainly ban importing foreign orphans until American orphans have proper homes
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:52 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Is there a parallel between gay marriage and interracial marriage. You see I believe that the objections by the opposing sides are the same.
Yes there are a few parallels.

Both gay marriage and interracial marriage were subjected to the same arguments:

-The opposition claimed that interracial marriage was against the Bible, opponents of gay marriage have this exact argument.
-Opponents of both gay marriage and interracial marriage tried to pass a permanent nationwide ban through a Constitutional amendment. (Anti-Miscegenation Amendment of 1912, Federal Marriage Amendment 0f 2004)
-Massachusetts was the 1st state in the union to overturn Anti-interracial marriage laws and it was the 1st state to legalize gay marriage.
Everything I say is a lie, and that is the truth.
Old 06-05-2007, 01:31 AM   #123 (permalink)
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How many times have we dealt with this bogus issue of "research"!
You still try to peddle your handful of biased "studies" with 18 homosexual couples participating??
As I pointed out, cumulatively these studies have several hundred participants.
And you can point to NO study which shows any detriment to the child by being raised by gay parent.
Two rather glaring statistical points.
And despite all the times you claim to have "dealt" with this research, you still cannot counter that...


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And yet you have the gall to accuse me of circular arguments!! It's incredible how hypocritical you are
So repeatedly you have claimed to have "dealt" with these research articles, and yet repeatedly you have failed to provide ANY research articles of your own.
Yes. You are thoroughly circular!


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Another point we have addressed earlier
You don't know if this is true or not.
How hard are we looking?
1) NO. You have NOT addressed this earlier.
2) ROFLMAO! You are truly desparate.
How "hard are we looking?"
I'm sorry, but are some of these adoptive parents LOST?

The truth is that we ALREADY HAVE adoptive parents who come forward to adopt.
Any "looking" you want to do to find more can be done UNDER THE CURRENT STATUS QUO.
And you have in NO WAY SHOWN ANYTHING which will increase the adoptive parents to cause the married heterosexual adoption cover the current orphan deficit.


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How much are we spending on trying to find proper families to adopt children instead of pushing them into homosexual environments?
One of the DUMBEST things you have ever said.
(And that's saying quite a lot!)

Tell me. How much MORE do you want to spend to try and get MORE heterosexual married couples to adopt???
Perhaps you want to turn it into another source of income for them???


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Maybe you should do a "study" on that
So I should do a "study" to figure out how much YOUR PLAN would have to spend to increase the number of heterosexual married couple adoptions to adopt all the orphans?
Naw.
How about you do your own damn work?


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You mean the one where you accuse me of circular arguments, then post another one yourself??
How the heck is that a "lie"?
Possibly hypocritical, yes. But not a lie, considering YOU DO post circular arguments.
I have proven this repeatedly.


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Yes I can - the deficiency of not having both a mother and a father.
And like I pointed out earlier, you CLAIM this is a deficiency, ASSUMING your own argument as proof.
But when I challenge you to show ANY DETRIMENT that a child raised by gay parents has vs a child raised by straight parents, you are COMPLETELY INEFFECTUAL in answering the challenge.
Kids raised by gay parents are supposedly "deficient", yet you cannot point to ANY way that kids raised by straight parents turn out better!


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I know that every child deserves a mother and a father, and this should be the goal of the American adoption/foster system.
I know that YOUR CLAIM is that every child deserves a mother and a father, as a self-imposed and self-assumed standard you want with a plan that is the DETRIMENT TO CHILDREN OVERALL.
I also know that YOUR "goal" is not the goal of the American system, for GOOD REASON.

(I also note that you refer to it as "adoption/foster". Did you finally figure out your earlier stupidity by trying to insist we discuss "orphanages" and complaining that instead we talked about foster care?
Good for you! You ARE capable of learning, even if you are incredibly slow!)


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I also know that you are not a parent, have never been a parent, and given your lifestyle choices you never will be a parent
How thick you are.
Being a parent does not magically make you capable of knowing what is "best" for children. You are living proof that is not the case, as you propose a plan that would take children from knowing at least ONE parent to NO parents.

I also have told you repeatedly that my partner and I will adopt someday, and there is only ONE state in the union where we can't do that.
Unfortunately, you are again too stupid to comprehend that as well...
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Old 06-05-2007, 01:35 AM   #124 (permalink)
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Nope. It's just another one of your lies
I just challenged you to PROVE your claim that you had already included this in your plan.
And all you do is blindly claim that it was already there???

You prove my point.
NOWHERE before that post had you EVER talked about a plan to increase heterosexual married adoption. NOWHERE.

And now you lie and pretend you have.
Tell me garysher. Why is it that I suspect that people here will KNOW that you are AGAIN LYING???


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If your govt can ban internet gambling and visits to Cuba then they can certainly ban importing foreign orphans until American orphans have proper homes
Translation?
Garysher is trying DESPARATELY to change the subject to non-topical pursuits instead of addressing my challenge. It is easily noted that neither internet gambling nor visits to Cuba have ANYTHING to do with him proving that he has already discussed means of increasing heterosexual married couple adoption.

MAN is he obvious!

And the whole idea of comparing ADOPTION, and its issues of citizenry, with "internet gambling" and visiting Cuba??? Amazing!
Moreover, would you care to explain HOW MANY children are adopted overseas each year, and compare that to how many children are NOT adopted in the American adoption system? Of course you wouldn't...


And AGAIN I will repeat the question he cowardly dodges...
Which is better Gar?
Knowing ONE parent, or not knowing ANY parents?
THAT is what you don't give a damn about.
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Old 06-05-2007, 08:30 AM   #125 (permalink)
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Nope. It's just another one of your lies

If your govt can ban internet gambling and visits to Cuba then they can certainly ban importing foreign orphans until American orphans have proper homes
I can't imagine why it would be easier to adopt from overseas. There has to be a great deal of red tape, regulations, residency and naturalization issues to deal with, not to mention the obvious application for legal guardianship of the child.
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:30 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Ooops I get typing too fast and hit the worng buttons lol.

Anyhow, I was saying that as a black man I don't like seeing our sisters with a white man of course. It is a problem in out community both ways. But that is not my call to make.
Just like if 2 men want to live together, I might not like it, but it's not my business.

We all have our preference, but that doesn't make it right for everyone.

It's my preference that our brothers and sisters stay within their own people. I think it's wrong. i know it's wrong. But I have learned to accept that people have free will.
Why don't you start a new thread on interracial relationships? I would like to discuss this with you some more.
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I can't imagine why it would be easier to adopt from overseas. There has to be a great deal of red tape, regulations, residency and naturalization issues to deal with, not to mention the obvious application for legal guardianship of the child.
I adopted my daughter from China in 1997. There are indeed many red tape issues to deal with, but it wasn't that bad. We were declared the legal parents of our daughter while we were still in China, so that was never an issue.
Old 06-05-2007, 11:06 AM   #128 (permalink)
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Let me ask a new question here one that may lend som new perspective to the whole gay marriage deal.

Is there a parallel between gay marriage and interracial marriage. You see I believe that the objections by the opposing sides are the same. As a black man, I object to our sisters being taken by men not of their raCE
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Ooops I get typing too fast and hit the worng buttons lol.

Anyhow, I was saying that as a black man I don't like seeing our sisters with a white man of course. It is a problem in out community both ways. But that is not my call to make.
Just like if 2 men want to live together, I might not like it, but it's not my business.

We all have our preference, but that doesn't make it right for everyone.

It's my preference that our brothers and sisters stay within their own people. I think it's wrong. i know it's wrong. But I have learned to accept that people have free will.
I see a parallel as well. In Massachusetts, they are using the law that was placed on the books to help "combat" interracial marriage in their efforts against gay marriage today.

Some reasons just aren't good enough to justify a law.
You said: "... I might not like it, but it's not my business", and I agree with the sentiment. When it comes to people's rights, "not liking it" just isn't a good enough reason.
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Old 06-05-2007, 11:46 AM   #129 (permalink)
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Ooops I get typing too fast and hit the worng buttons lol.

Anyhow, I was saying that as a black man I don't like seeing our sisters with a white man of course. It is a problem in out community both ways. But that is not my call to make.
Just like if 2 men want to live together, I might not like it, but it's not my business.

We all have our preference, but that doesn't make it right for everyone.

It's my preference that our brothers and sisters stay within their own people. I think it's wrong. i know it's wrong. But I have learned to accept that people have free will.
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Yep. That's what it boils down to. Others have free will. Let 'em exersise it.
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