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Old 06-05-2007, 03:14 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Read those studies, or even the synopsis of those studies, and then we can talk.
Link me, otherwise don't talk.

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They have been dismissed by some of the finest legal minds in the nation.
Let's see your studies, and how many times have they been debunked?

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Incidentally, your precious, unbiased "reliable institution", the APA, has come under fire recently for participating in the torture of prisoners by the US military
Wait, what?

The APA is a PRIVATE organization with no affiliation to the U.S. government. How the hell are they supposed to participate? That and they oppose torture. Some have risked their careers by exposing torture which the U.S. government has conducted.
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Where do you get crap like them condoning torture?!
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Link me, otherwise don't talk.

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If I have to provide the links then I assume you haven't read these reports that you are so bravely trying to defend!!

Just as I thought!!

The APA is a PRIVATE organization with no affiliation to the U.S. government. How the hell are they supposed to participate? That and they oppose torture. Some have risked their careers by exposing torture which the U.S. government has conducted.
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Where do you get crap like them condoning torture?!
Here:

"In 2005, the American Psychological Association convened a Presidential Task Force on Psychological Ethics and National Security that concluded psychologists' participation in military interrogations was "consistent with the APA Code of Ethics."

Democracy Now! | "The Task Force Report Should Be Annulled" - Member of 2005 APA Task Force on Psychologist Participation in Military Interrogations Speaks Out
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Are you still trying to blindly dismiss them as worthless, ignoring the fact that cumulatively the studies cover several hundred gay people?
Even a dimwit like you should realise that statistical studies cannot logically be accumulated, unless the conditions of each study are identical.

And as you apparently haven't read any of them, you can't say if this is true.

Save the scroll button on my mouse by answering these questions:

1. Have you ever read any of the studies trying to defend homosexual parenting?

2. Which ones have you read?

3. What were the sample sizes?

4. What questions were asked?

3. Did any of these "studies" ask participants how they substituted for the lack of one gender?
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"In 2005, the American Psychological Association convened a Presidential Task Force on Psychological Ethics and National Security that concluded psychologists' participation in military interrogations was "consistent with the APA Code of Ethics."

Democracy Now! | "The Task Force Report Should Be Annulled" - Member of 2005 APA Task Force on Psychologist Participation in Military Interrogations Speaks Out
Three questions. First of all, does the APA specifically condone torture or not? If not, then it is the individual psychologists and psychiatrists who participate.

Second, do you believe torture is a valid way to extract information?

Third, why do you assume that I don't? Frankly, I support it so long as it's in an emergency situation only, and only as a last resort when interrogation fails.
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Even a dimwit like you should realise that statistical studies cannot logically be accumulated, unless the conditions of each study are identical.

And as you apparently haven't read any of them, you can't say if this is true.

Save the scroll button on my mouse by answering these questions:

1. Have you ever read any of the studies trying to defend homosexual parenting?

2. Which ones have you read?

3. What were the sample sizes?

4. What questions were asked?

3. Did any of these "studies" ask participants how they substituted for the lack of one gender?
Did you read the ones you use with as critical an eye? If so, you'd probably find the same problems.
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Did you read the ones you use with as critical an eye? If so, you'd probably find the same problems.
If you're going to avoid answering direct questions then at least try to be a little less obvious
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Three questions. First of all, does the APA specifically condone torture or not?

"In 2005, the American Psychological Association convened a Presidential Task Force on Psychological Ethics and National Security that concluded psychologists' participation in military interrogations was "consistent with the APA Code of Ethics." Seems pretty clear.



If not, then it is the individual psychologists and psychiatrists who participate.

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Oh wait - so are you saying that any statement issued by the APA doesn't necessarily represent the views of the "individual psychologists and psychiatrists" who make up its membership?




Second, do you believe torture is a valid way to extract information?

Third, why do you assume that I don't? Frankly, I support it so long as it's in an emergency situation only, and only as a last resort when interrogation fails.
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If I have to provide the links then I assume you haven't read these reports that you are so bravely trying to defend!!
Just as I thought!!
His point is simple and with merit.
These studies are done by experts. Published in peer reviewed journals.
MULTIPLE expert organizations have all concluded the same thing.

Then along comes you. An arrogant, bigotted, anti-gay putz who shouts as loud as he can that the studies are flawed.
It takes more than just your word to prove your point.

If you can't EXPLICITLY SHOW what you are talking about in these studies, then all you're doing is bluffing.

And considering the NUMEROUS lies and errors you make, he's right to not take your claims as gospel.
Take your following flub-up...


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"In 2005, the American Psychological Association convened a Presidential Task Force on Psychological Ethics and National Security that concluded psychologists' participation in military interrogations was "consistent with the APA Code of Ethics."
Democracy Now! | "The Task Force Report Should Be Annulled" - Member of 2005 APA Task Force on Psychologist Participation in Military Interrogations Speaks Out
I high-lighted the relevant portion.
They were talking about military INTERROGATIONS.
Not "torture".

Most military interrogations ARE NOT torture.

Another simple example of your failed capability at simple reading comprehension, which should leave anybody to rationally doubt your suspect claims...
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Even a dimwit like you should realise that statistical studies cannot logically be accumulated, unless the conditions of each study are identical.
What "conditions" were SIGNIFICANTLY different?


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And as you apparently haven't read any of them, you can't say if this is true.
Another blatant lie.
The stupid part of all this is that I went ahead, read through a bunch of them, and ADDED UP the total number of participants for you in the past.
For you to repeat the fact that I have reviewed them like that, and then for you to claim that I "haven't read any of them"???
Yet ANOTHER obvious lie from you...


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Save the scroll button on my mouse by answering these questions:
1. Have you ever read any of the studies trying to defend homosexual parenting?
Asked and fricken answered.
And I'm not bothering with all your stupid questions, considering:
a) How many of my questions you habitually and cowardly avoid, and
b) I'm not going to spend time going back through the studies to cite each individual one just to give you this stupid information which you are too stupid to remember from the last time we discussed.
I'll move on to the next relevant question...


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3. Did any of these "studies" ask participants how they substituted for the lack of one gender?
ANOTHER question I have already answered, but I'll repeat my answer here.
Such a "question" is a LEADING QUESTION because it ASSUMES an impact which is NOT SHOWN.
The properly scientific thing would be to COMPARE and CONTRAST the effects of the relationships on the children to evaluate if there IS an effect from "lack of one gender".
Without that, the question is meaningless.

I could just as well ask how the heterosexual couples substitute for the lack of a two-party representation of one gender.
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His point is simple and with merit.
These studies are done by experts. Published in peer reviewed journals.
MULTIPLE expert organizations have all concluded the same thing.

Then along comes you. An arrogant, bigotted, anti-gay putz who shouts as loud as he can that the studies are flawed.
It takes more than just your word to prove your point.

If you can't EXPLICITLY SHOW what you are talking about in these studies, then all you're doing is bluffing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How embarrassing that you are avoiding these questions which we asked earlier:

1. Have you ever read any of the studies trying to defend homosexual parenting?

2. Which ones have you read?

3. What were the sample sizes?

4. What questions were asked?

5. Did any of these "studies" ask participants how they substituted for the lack of one gender?



I high-lighted the relevant portion.
They were talking about military INTERROGATIONS.
Not "torture".

Most military interrogations ARE NOT torture.

Another simple example of your failed capability at simple reading comprehension, which should leave anybody to rationally doubt your suspect claims...
If only you bothered to read the links we provide before you post yet another uninformed temper tantrum, then you wouldn't make yourself look like quite such an idiot:

"In particular, the Pentagon Inspector General provides concrete evidence that techniques developed by the US military for withstanding torture are being used against prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

After 9/11, the Pentagon began using so-called behavioral science consultants, or "biscuit" teams, to advise the military on how to "break" prisoners to make them more cooperative."

Democracy Now! | "The Task Force Report Should Be Annulled" - Member of 2005 APA Task Force on Psychologist Participation in Military Interrogations Speaks Out


Does that sound like a friendly "interrogation" by the village bobby??



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