Defending the Truth

garysher · 05-16-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hio

Noooo, THAT is a fact. Ask anyone around the forums
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You made the accusation so I'm asking you

and if you read carefully, i never called you a bigot or anything of the sort, I said your Comments were. The mention of you being called anything was never brought up.

So when did I "insult gays in the most hatefull manner and say "their kind" is not wanted in America"?

Hio · 05-16-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

So when did I "insult gays in the most hatefull manner and say "their kind" is not wanted in America"?

You say their ways of life are not wanted, their lifestyles are bad....but most of all you said that they dont deserve the same rights as others here....I find that saying you dont want them in this country

Hio · 05-16-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by akuma

One does not have to ask, just read the threads before and after he arrives and see how the debates get ugly and personal.

So very right.

foundit66 · 05-16-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Your comment indicates your "discrimination" against what you call the "anti-gay" side!

Part of the problem with the anti-gay side is they don't even use simple words right.
They'll claim gay marriage will "harm" or "destroy" straight marriage, when the truth is all it will do is CHANGE marriage. No straight marriages will be "harmed" in any way.

This statement of garysher is another perfect example.
I will ask garysher, point-blank, how my comment constitutes "discrimination".
Garysher? HOW does my comment constitute "discrimination"?

And he just plain won't answer.
But like I pointed out earlier, he'll come back and make this same stupid statement AGAIN.

And the NEXT step in this pointless evolution to expose garysher's incapability to reason is to ask him HOW my actions are "discrimination", and how that standard of classifying my actions as "discrimination" does not also classify HIS actions as "discrimination"...

But of course, he'll never answer that either...

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Originally Posted by garysher

And we have already devoted a lot of time explaining the difference between QUALIFICATION and DISCRIMINATION.

Another piece-o-crap argument on the anti-gay side.
They want to relabel the issue as "qualification" so that the discrimination is accepted without question.
I have GIVEN a definition of "discrimination" before, and he promptly drops the subject.

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Originally Posted by garysher

You prefer the latter because it is more emotive

And this is just plain a lie.
I have explicitly explained to Garysher before that I don't care what "emotion" he attaches to "discrimination".
I have explicitly explained to him before that I will actually use the word "qualification" IF and ONLY IF he doesn't use the word to avoid any justification for the discrimination.

And yet again, HE DROPS the issue.
Of course, he'll turn around and continue with his deceit and lies, later to repeat his lie stated above.

And THAT is why this is all so circular...

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Originally Posted by garysher

You don't want to marry a woman? Don't marry one. Simple as that.
Incidentally, nobody is stopping you from living a "gay lifestyle".

If I could marry a man, it WOULD be as simple as that.
Your analogy is flawed in that it fails to take into account that my life IS LIMITED by your prejudice. I can't marry my partner.

And this is typically where I give an analogy to better explain the situation, and garysher gives some lame reply that he has already "shown" or "proven" the analogy false.
Except when pressed, he can never REPEAT the "proof" he supposedly gave in the past.

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Originally Posted by garysher

It is YOU and your homosexual militant buddies who want to impose your standard of behaviour on us and demand that we accept it.

And this is another blatant lie.
No. We impose no "standard of behavior" upon you.
If gay marriage were legal, WHAT "standard of behavior" would you have to follow?
(Note: another question he will not answer...)

And there is no demand that you accept anything.
Some people still don't accept gay marriage in Massachusetts.
Is there any "demand" for them to "accept" it? No.

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Originally Posted by garysher

You are free to choose the homosexual lifestyle but you cannot demand that the rest of us accept it and try to label us if we don't.

1) Nobody is demanding you "accept" anything.
2) You are what you are. Live with it.
I find it funny that you insist gays accept the consequences of who we are, but you whine and moan about "labels"?
It's a consequence of you acting the way you do garysher.
Be a man and accept the consequences...

foundit66 · 05-16-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mytmouse57

I’ve noticed this subject tends to get too negative and emotional, regardless of what board/forum it’s on. It’s one people have a difficult time gracefully disagreeing on.

I recommend you think about what you are saying, and what these discussions typically involve.

If we took a black person, or a Jewish person, or a person who belonged to group "X"...

And then told that person that they should have their rights limited, and that they are inferior, and that they are immoral, and that they should change their lives to live according to the dictates of other people's prejudices...

What type of "respectful" reaction can you expect?
I think the proposition of the anti-gay side is often completely lacking in "grace" in and of itself, and inherently insulting.

And that is skipping the times that you have people complain that they can't use the slurs "homo" or "f@g" on the boards.
That is skipping the times that you have people jump up and down and proclaim gays as child molestors, or try to link them to mass murderers or claim the really ridiculous stuff...

garysher · 05-16-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hio

You say their ways of life are not wanted, their lifestyles are bad....but most of all you said that they dont deserve the same rights as others here....I find that saying you dont want them in this country

I never said any of those things

Are you mistaken or are you lying?

Hio · 05-16-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

I never said any of those things

Are you mistaken or are you lying?

Are you in denial?

garysher · 05-16-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Part of the problem with the anti-gay side is they don't even use simple words right.
They'll claim gay marriage will "harm" or "destroy" straight marriage, when the truth is all it will do is CHANGE marriage. No straight marriages will be "harmed" in any way.

This statement of garysher is another perfect example.
I will ask garysher, point-blank, how my comment constitutes "discrimination".
Garysher? HOW does my comment constitute "discrimination"?

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Your comments above where you try to insinuate something false against what you call the "anti-gay" side indicate your discriminatory attitude.

Even the term "anti gay" instead of pro-traditional marriage indicates you are discriminating

We don't know why you even bother trying to deny it after all this time.

Another piece-o-crap argument on the anti-gay side.
They want to relabel the issue as "qualification" so that the discrimination is accepted without question.
I have GIVEN a definition of "discrimination" before, and he promptly drops the subject.

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The requirements for marriage are qualifying criteria

You doggedly persist in describing these criteria as "discrimination" because you feel it adds more emotion to your faling arguments

And this is just plain a lie.
I have explicitly explained to Garysher before that I don't care what "emotion" he attaches to "discrimination".
I have explicitly explained to him before that I will actually use the word "qualification" IF and ONLY IF he doesn't use the word to avoid any justification for the discrimination.

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Part of the problem with the homosexual side is they don't even use simple words right.

If I could marry a man, it WOULD be as simple as that.
Your analogy is flawed in that it fails to take into account that my life IS LIMITED by your prejudice. I can't marry my partner.

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That is not due to my prejudice, it's due to your decision to choose a homosexual lifestyle. The same would be true if you chose to live with several girlfriends, you could not marry them all

At least take responsibility for your own decisions

And this is another blatant lie.
No. We impose no "standard of behavior" upon you.
If gay marriage were legal, WHAT "standard of behavior" would you have to follow?
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Your side demands that we accept homosexuality even though we consider it immoral and unnatural

And there is no demand that you accept anything.
Some people still don't accept gay marriage in Massachusetts.
Is there any "demand" for them to "accept" it? No.

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Soon Mass will vote to ditch homosexual marriage

1) Nobody is demanding you "accept" anything.
2) You are what you are. Live with it.

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That is exactly the advice we would give to you and your side.

Nobody is demanding you get married to a woman.

I find it funny that you insist gays accept the consequences of who we are, but you whine and moan about "labels"?
It's a consequence of you acting the way you do garysher.
Be a man and accept the consequences...

Like Paul the Apostle I have no problem withstanding the constant persecution of you and your sort

Hio · 05-16-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hio

You say their ways of life are not wanted, their lifestyles are bad....but most of all you said that they dont deserve the same rights as others here....I find that saying you dont want them in this country

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Originally Posted by garysher

I never said any of those things

Are you mistaken or are you lying?

So you agree that Gays deserve the same rights as straight people?
Ty for going against every single post you have made now. Glad to know you have come to your senses