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Old 05-24-2007, 09:15 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I would love to see some of that evidence.
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actually, that IS true....

GAY.COM UK & Ireland - News - Headlines - Study: “Hostile society leads to gay depression”

as a general rule, social rejection would cause low self-esteem making it more LIKELY that you'd be depressed. (not just for gays, but for *all* people... gays just tend to experience social rejection with more frequency.)


of course, as all reasonable people know, statistics don't apply to individuals.
Actually, CBC, mtymouse was making just the opposite assertion, that homosexuals experience more depression and other mental health problems even when not experiencing social rejection or bigotry.
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"homosexuality doesn't affect anyone negatively at all."

I think the jury is still out on that one.

Evidence is starting to poke through that even in societies/settings where homosexuality isn't regarded with disdan and gay people don't experience social rejection or bigotry -- homosexuals still have relatively higher rates of depression and similar problems.
That is what I wanted to see evidence of. I beleve that the what you say is true. And your article supports the idea that these problems are the result of a hostile environment.
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Old 05-24-2007, 04:18 PM   #22 (permalink)
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"That is what I wanted to see evidence of.[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Mark/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG] I beleve that the what you say is true. And your article supports the idea that these problems are the result of a hostile environment."


Here’s one interesting source I found:

Homosexuality and Mental Health Problems

Some quotes from said source:


“Summary: Recent studies show homosexuals have a substantially greater risk of suffering from a psychiatric problems than do heterosexuals. We see higher rates of suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse. This paper highlights some new and significant considerations that reflect on the question of those mental illnesses and on their possible sources.”


“The Effect of Social Stigma
Third, does pressure from society lead to mental health problems? Less, I believe, than one might imagine. The authors of the study done in The Netherlands were surprised to find so much mental illness in homosexual people in a country where tolerance of homosexuality is greater than in almost all other countries. Another good comparison country is New Zealand, which is much more tolerant of homosexuality than is the United States. Legislation giving the movement special legal rights is powerful, consistently enforced throughout the country, and virtually never challenged. Despite this broad level of social tolerance, suicide attempts were common in a New Zealand study and occurred at about the same rate as in the U.S.
In his cross-cultural comparison of mental health in the Netherlands, Denmark and the U.S., Ross (198 could find no significant differences between countries - i.e. the greater social hostility in the United States did not result in a higher level of psychiatric problems.
There are three other issues not covered in the Archives journal articles which are worthy of consideration. The first two involve DSM category diagnoses.”

“In conclusion, then, if we ask the question "Is mental illness inherent in the homosexual condition?" the answer would have to be "Further research--uncompromised by politics --should be carried out to honestly evaluate this issue." -- By N.E. Whitehead, Ph.D. (Author of "My Genes Made Me Do It")
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Old 05-24-2007, 04:21 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I have no idea how that smiley ended up in the middle of the quoted text... LOL.
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Old 05-24-2007, 04:22 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Anyway, I appreciate his closing quote "uncompromised by politics" being the key term. This issue has been WAY over-politicized by both sides, IMO.
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:20 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I totally agree with this paragraph. However, I think it is also easy to determine whether homosexuality is a disorder.

In order for something to be a disorder, it must have some negative or undesirable effect on the person's life. Homosexuality has no such negative or undesirable effect, therefore it cannot be a disorder.

But again, we could say that just because it isn't a disorder doesn't mean it is moral. For something to be moral, it has to have no negative effect on anyone else's life. Again, this is the case: homosexuality doesn't affect anyone negatively at all.

So why should anyone be encouraged to avoid homosexuality?
I kind of disagree with that. You can have differences that are pretty harmless from social and physical standpoint but are still simply wrong. There are many things in nature that are obviously wrong but not necessarily negative.

From a physiologic standpoint, nature has gone through great lengths to make sexual contact between male and female animals a beautiful process. Not the act itself, but the coordination of egg, sperm, hormones, lubrication, muscles, etc. Homosexuality causes an animal to totally ignore "normal" sexual programming and pursue a path that nature obviously didn't equip him/her for. To try and dissassociate that from any of the other disorders that causes the sex drive to be directed in unnatural directions is only hiding from the obvious.
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Bear with me here Jaaaman and others. I just thought to remark:

I had many guinea pigs in my life. And they did eat their feces. You see, their body actually produced a much needed nutrient that was only found in their fecal pellets.

So like animals, humans too do that which is borne out of need. And whereas humans do not eat their waste, there is no need to. But to compare such behaviors in the animal kingdom with man, we must admit that we all do that which is essential to our lives. And to the degree that we are instinctively and inspirationally and intelligently recognizing need and finding need met.

And sex according to one's orientation fits in that perspective.

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"But in reality, most animals don’t have a “sexuality” in the same manner we do."
I think this is an excellent point. We seem to be assuming a consistent sexual perspective. Historically, our dichotomous "straight/gay" notion is peculiar (but not unique). Sexual perspectives have shifted drastically just in our human history. Extending our current sexual perspective to animals might be reaching a bit too far.
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Nature itself has already figured this out... Why can't humans?

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Oh yeah... God shits on logic...
Not really, I've seen dogs adopt kittens and vice versa. If you want to stretch that to human, why not give our newborn baby orphans to gorrillas or dogs? There are incidences of feral kids. And who knows what undocumented stuff goes on in some of the poorer nations on this planet.
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