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| Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman. |
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Please explain how they ARE covered And whilst you're at it, explain why we need special legislation for homosexuals in the first place Anyone who is assaulted should be treated equally, and the perpetrators punished with equanimity Doggone it darn right you betcha bless your heart maverick | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Then why do we suddenly need new legislation?? Need help taking that bullet out of your foot? Doggone it darn right you betcha bless your heart maverick | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Your own post proves that heterosexuality is covered. Quote:
Right now America spends $700 billion every year on foreign oil. That's our money going overseas when it could be staying here. We have to stop this. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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| A substantial majority of the American public favors the expansion of federal hate crime legislation to include crimes against people based on their gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity. The U.S. House of Representatives has passed such legislation, which is now being considered by the Senate. Republicans, conservatives, and religious Americans are slightly less likely than others to favor the expansion of hate crime legislation, but a majority of those in each of these conservative and religious groups favors the proposed legislation. Public Favors Expansion of Hate Crime Law to Include Sexual Orientation Quote:
Existing federal hate crime legislation does not cover sexual orientation. A majority of U.S. citizens want it to. There is no "suddenly" about it. The American people have overwhelmingly approved of this addition for a long time now. It's just that now the DEMOCRATS are back in Congress with some power, and they're responding to the wishes of the American public. "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Partisan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,678 Country: ![]()
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The Democrats cannot get anything through Congress because they have such a slim majority, and a veto-wielding President. We'll see what new excuses you find for dodging our questions, and will continue to run you to the ground like a hunted fox Doggone it darn right you betcha bless your heart maverick | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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And you are right about the Democrats, look what happened when they tried to send Bush a spending bill that included timetables for Iraq. This is the weakest majority I have ever seen. Americans are against the war, against illegal immigration, and obviously are for what the new hate crime bill would do. Public Favors Expansion of Hate Crime Law to Include Sexual Orientation But the Democrats, rather than trying to stop funding all together or even hold their ground with their timetables, gave into Bush's demands. They apparently made some compromise with Bush on immigration and gave us a bill which would essentially grant amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants, a bill that most Americans despised. Fortunately the legislation was killed. Immigration Bill Suffers Stunning Defeat (Get this, they're going to try again!) Senate leaders revive immigration bill - Yahoo! News The new hate crime bill did pass in the House 237-180, but that would not be enough to override a possible veto, and I really don't think the Democrats will try very hard to get more votes. Not saying they can't, they have more support for the hate crime bill than they did for the timetables for Iraq, just speculating a possible outcome based on past performance. House Passes Expanded Hate Crime Bill - Newsday.com Obama is a Socialist, racist Muslim who will tax us to death and McCain is a senile warmonger who will start WW3- Failtards. "Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it."-Sen. John McCain, February 2000. I miss the old McCain... Last edited by mikelew007; 06-17-2007 at 01:25 AM. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Dreamin Posts: 3,391
| What the hell you talking about? 50% of heterosexual marriages fall out? Why is this a trip? Who cares Do what you have to do! As Our Nation falls apart behind republican rule~! Live the Light, Give the Light, Bring Heaven to Earth Every Day! I am not a human being having a spiritual experience, I am a spiritual being having a human experience. The ancient Greeks used to say, "You shall know a man by the friends that he keeps." Given the nature of their friends and advisers, what are we to conclude about the Republican party: Stop the madness before us it stops! Σταματήστε την τρέλα προτού να μας σταματήσεϊ Greek | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Community Leader ![]() Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Flint, MI Gender: ![]() Posts: 831 Country: ![]()
| What the hell are you talking about, what part of my post do you disagree with? Obama is a Socialist, racist Muslim who will tax us to death and McCain is a senile warmonger who will start WW3- Failtards. "Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it."-Sen. John McCain, February 2000. I miss the old McCain... | |||||||||||||||||||||
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I didn't use "amusement" as an excuse to not answer your question. I DID answer your question. You even responded to my answer. Go ahead and repeat your question. I'll repeat my answer. Existing federal hate crime legislation does not cover sexual orientation. A majority of U.S. citizens want it to. There is no "suddenly" about it. The American people have overwhelmingly approved of this addition for a long time now. It's just that now the DEMOCRATS are back in Congress with some power, and they're responding to the wishes of the American public. Quote:
I have already explained THAT to you as well. Are you really this thick as to not remember things you are told? Quote:
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Yes. There is a possibility, or a probability I think, that the Democrats will not be able to get this made into legislation. BUT REPUBLICANS will have to go on record for either supporting or opposing it. And the MAJORITY who ELECT these people can take note. And the president can veto, but then it can also be brought up as a presidential debate question because it is in the lime-light again. And the public will note THOSE responses as well. And the thing stopping it from being law is a few republicans who OPPOSE the majority wishes. That won't always be the case... "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The original “hate crime” law was applicable only if the victim was engaged certain federally-protected activities – such as voting or going to school – at the time the crime was committed. That makes sense to me, to have federal protection against crimes aimed particularly at attacking/terrorizing somebody when they are trying to engage in a federally-protected activity. You can see in that the true spirit of the law as intended, to keep bigots from trying to terrorize minorities out of voting, going to school, and so forth. In that sense, I have no problem with sexual orientation being included. If some jackass wants to attack a gay person in an attempt to make gays fearful of voting – sure, that would qualify as a federal offense, IMO. But to try to define any crime anywhere as a “hate crime” based on the status of the victim is, IMO, just silly. It’s also not needed. That’s why we allow prosecutors and defense attorneys to argue the aggravating and mitigating circumstances that are unique to each crime. No special federal legislation is needed for that. If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields | |||||||||||||||||||||
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