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Old 07-10-2007, 02:50 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I am at a total loss for words. I don't think I have ever seen such an idiotic post.
START WITH READING SOME OF YOUR OWN.

Now tell me what is idiotic about it???? Those who oppose homosexuality based on their religion or belief are called homophobic. Simply for the fact that they oppose homosexuality. There reasons often are quite rationale, yet the are labelled as irrationale.
I have no problems with homophobia being classified as a mental disorder, the problem I have is that it will not prevent people from labelling others as homophobes. Before long we have society filled with mental disorders. Those who support gay rights can be labelled as heterophobes, those having irrational fear of heterosexuals. The list can go on and on......

Again no idocy in the post, just taking the truth to its ultimate conclusion.

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I agree that blind labelling does not do any good. I could probably give a couple examples of posters (not on this board) who do that.

But regardless, I saw a few things wrong.

1) Homophobia is not JUST fear of homosexuals. People get too used to seeing the suffix '-phobia' being used to describe "fear". They fail to realize that it has a SECONDARY definition of irrational aversion to. Like "xenophobia".

2) Quite frankly, the issue of labelling "homophobia" as a "mental disorder" has some ironic hypothetical appeal to it, but at the same time is a double-edged sword. Throughout history, gays have been labelled as "mentally ill", and now to see "homophobia" as potentially so?
But regardless, it also opens up a can of worms. If John sees gay Mark and beats him up because of his "homophobia", does that mean he can use mental illness as a defense?
This has already been tried under the label "gay panic defense" and rightfully shot down.

3) The question of how we determine what is "rational" is a funny argument in the big picture of things.
Some aspects of the right frequently rail against the idea of "subjective morality", and here we see an argument for what really boils down to "subjective rationality"?
Quite frankly, rationality can be measured in the capability of one to cogently, coherently, and lucidly explain one's position. There often reaches a point where there is an agreement to disagree, but at least there is some rational basis for the position.

And in the end, the "what is rational?" question is a funny one because it just begs for somebody to defend arguments like "if gays can marry, I can marry a hamster" as "rational".
Can we agree that's not rational?

I agree with your last statement as not being rationale.

I included rationale and irrationale at the end because I recognize a phobia as an irrationale fear, if I failed to mention that in my definition, mea culpa.

But that is why the question is important. If homophobia is a mental disorder how do we determine what is a rationale fear versus an irrationale fear.

You also make a great point regarding the use of homophobia as a defense. However, I believe that it has been tried and shot down by the jury. I am not exactly certain of the case, but I will try to find it.

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I included rationale and irrationale at the end because I recognize a phobia as an irrationale fear, if I failed to mention that in my definition, mea culpa.
the point is, no matter WHAT your personal definition is, the medical community (this IS a medical term, you know) uses phobia as both an irrational fear AND an irrational aversion for.

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Those who oppose homosexuality based on their religion or belief are called homophobic. Simply for the fact that they oppose homosexuality.
"oppose" homosexuality?
that's not even homophobic - that's just STUPID.
how can you "oppose" homosexuality - it would be like "opposing" people who are extremely tall, or who can run very very fast, or are left-handed, or have red hair, or are possessed of a glorious singing voice.
"Opposing" it is absurd. Oppose something simply because it's not as common as something else?
pfffffffft
That's just plain old fashioned down home good and dirty SILLY.
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Legalized same-sex marriage almost certainly benefits those same-sex couples who choose to marry, as well as the children being raised in those homes. - David Blankenhorn is president of the New York-based Institute for American Values and the author of "The Future of Marriage."
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